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Perthshire / Re: Muthill, Perthshire.
« on: Thursday 09 June 11 21:33 BST (UK)  »
Sorry bout that fifer, our line goes like this  -direct ancestors in capitals

Duncan Mcara and Isobel Alice m 1807, sons PETER 1809 William 1811 John 1814 Duncan 1817, James 1820

Peter McAra and Isabelle Steele m 1832 sons Duncan 1832, WILLIAM 1835, Peter 1839, James 1840, John 1843 and David 1852

William Mcara and Grace Clink Watson m 1858 sons Peter 1862, William George 1873 and DUNCAN 1877

Duncan Mcara and Mary Toal m Dublin 1901 sons William 1903, Peter 1906, Patrick 1909,DUNCAN J 1912 and John F 1915

Duncan J McAra m Elizabeth Brown London 1939 sons Duncan 1942, Michael 1946 Peter 1948, John 1953 and Francis 1955


I found wills for two Alice Males on Scotlands People William in 1781 and John in 1813

mcmcara

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Perthshire / Re: Muthill, Perthshire.
« on: Thursday 09 June 11 19:51 BST (UK)  »
William is a direct descendant of Duncan McAra (son of Patrick) and Isobel Alice. if you look at my previous posts I have the male line listed.

Peter is my husbands greatgrandfathers brother, Ive been in contact with several other people descended from this line who are doing research but nobody has been able to trace Peters death. He and his brother Duncan my husbands greatgrandfather were brick walls for quite a few people until I put the family tree on line nobody realised he had moved to Ireland around 1918

mcmcara

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Perthshire / Re: Muthill, Perthshire.
« on: Thursday 09 June 11 16:11 BST (UK)  »
Maybe Patrick was considered a Gaelic type name, and dropped for that reason.

If I had the names of Patrick and Shusans children that would give me a starting place to try and go back further

On a different but related topic, I have traced all the children of William Mcara and Grace Clink Watson except one - Peter born 1862 Kincardine Perth, he is believed to have died between 1891 (his wife recorded at her parents address as being married)  and 1898 Ceres Fife (his wifes death cert in 1898 described her as a widow) but there does not seem to be any record of his death.
I have a vague memory of my husbands grandfather telling me a story about his fathers brother Peter who was killed in an industrial accident which he witnessed but where the accident took place was not mentioned. Any advice

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Perthshire / Re: Muthill, Perthshire.
« on: Wednesday 08 June 11 22:07 BST (UK)  »
I'm straying off topic I think by tracing Andrew, everything points to our line passing through Peter/Patrick, Peter and Duncan are the strongest continuous link all down our line. Have you any idea why Peter and Patrick have been confused?

There is a Duncan Mcara married to Anne Morrison in 1874 Crieff Perth,  I wonder if he could be a brother of Peter/Patrick

mcmcara

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The Common Room / Re: Could widow marry deceased husband's brother?
« on: Wednesday 08 June 11 19:52 BST (UK)  »
If you had the money to pay the fine the Catholic Church woud sell you a dispensation. Is this not how Henry VIII married Catherine of Aragon in the first place.


mcmcara

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Perthshire / Re: Muthill, Perthshire.
« on: Wednesday 08 June 11 19:44 BST (UK)  »
I agree wt you about the naming pattern, its the same as the Irish one, I only mentioned grandfathers as an example. it would also depend on how many sons were born and their position in the family, you couldent call your third son after yourself if you were the eldest and named after you father! In my own family there is an instance of the groom himself and both fathers being called Patrick, that allowed for a few other family names to be included which might not have survived to another generation

 Are first cousins allowed to marry in Scotland? I know it could be done with a special dispensation in Ireland, if for example there were no male heirs on one side to carry the name, or inherit the family place.

If you were to follow the naming logic , then Andrew Mcaras father was Andrew as his eldest son (born 1752 died btween 1761 and 1764) was called Andrew and on his eldest sons death he named his fourth son Andrew(born 1764)  he may have a elder brother called Duncan as he called his third son Duncan (born 1761) In Ireland third son was usually called after his father or eldest uncle depending on names available.

mcmcara

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Perthshire / Re: Muthill, Perthshire.
« on: Wednesday 08 June 11 15:59 BST (UK)  »
We can trace my husbands family straight back to Duncan Mcara and Isabel Alice, its after that that things get a bit complicated. I think what may have happened is that Patrick and Shusan were cousins, maybe their grandfathers were siblings, this meant that they have the same naming pattern in the male line. Shusan had a brother Duncan born 25 Dec 1761, I believe he has been confused with his nephew Duncan, son of Patrick /Peter and Shusan who maried Isobel Alice. This would make sense as the Isabel name has carried through but not Anne/ Agnes (female names change more often than males as the new wife will always introduce new female names and if there are mainly sons born a name can disappear in a generation)

Patrick and Shusans marriage is on the www.family search website

Duncan McAra m Isabel Alice 6th Dec 1807
Peter McAra m Isabelle Steele 1832 Perthshire
William McAra m Grace Watson 31st Dec 1858 Perth
Duncan McAra m Mary Toal 16th Nov Dublin Ireland
Duncan J McAra m Elizabeth Brown 1939 London my husbands grandparents


Mcmcara

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Perthshire / Re: Mc Ara, Perthshire.
« on: Tuesday 07 June 11 22:52 BST (UK)  »
Have those three, dont have any girls though. Just discovered that parents of Duncan were Patrick/Peter McAra and Shusan McAra, Shusan the daughter of Anne Tansh and Andrew Mc Ara born 15 July 1759 Monzie. Patrick/Peter would have to have been the son of a Duncan to have named his first son Duncan. any suggestions?

Mcmcara

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Perthshire / Re: McAraM Perthshire.
« on: Tuesday 07 June 11 21:22 BST (UK)  »
Sorry Ive taken so long to reply - Peters parents are Duncan McAra and Isobel Alice married 6th Dec 1807,Monzie. If Peter was their eldest son then there is a good chance that his grandfather was also Peter McAra, names for two other siblings are John and Duncan , Ive found a will for John Alice dated 1813, possibly Isobels father.

Mcmcara

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