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Thanks papasoul, much appreciated

I did come across a baptism of Jane Miller at All Saints, Newcastle but not sure if this has previously cropped up and been ruled out or is a known fact???:

8 Oct 1836
Jane Miller, father William Miller, mother Ann


Is this most likely the daughter of William and Ann (Surtees)? or would she have been baptised somewhere north/north east of Newcastle.

Hi Tab11

No problem at all.

It does seem to fall into place for me, though I am a relative novice with limited time for research.  I've relied on rootschat help quite a bit to piece things together but I'm fairly confident of tracing the right line.

I had originally stopped at Jane Miller, single mother in Tynemouth Workhouse giving birth to Henry in 1858 and Henry's birth and marriage certificates tally with this, as does Jane's later marriage certificate to Thomas McGlauglin.

I struggled for some time to find a Jane Miller born in Camperdown (which she consistently puts i census as place of birth) in 1836-9 and followed a few lines which I dismissed with some confidence.

The name switch from Hazlerigg to Camperdown in 1840s meant that finding a William and Jane in 1841 with a 5 year old Jane seemed a firm possibility.

The only thing I lack is a mention of William as a Coal Miner, as the wedding certificate in 1867 (Jane Miller - Thomas McGlaughlin) has him as a Labourer. 
In the 1861 census he is still head of the family as a Coal Miner, dying that same year - so I'm surprised he is not recorded on certificate as William Miller (deceased), Coal Miner.  However, she is recorded as Spinster and she has certainly borne one child, perhaps two and possibly been married, so everything might have been deliberately vague as she marries into the Roman Catholic church??

I am awaiting certificates relating to her possible marriage to Thomas Bates in 1855 and birth of a son which might give a few pointers...
If this is my Jane, then it looks like her mother would have been Ann Miller who married William in 1835 and died before the 1841 census leading us back to that family in Hazlerigg making her half sister to Ellen Surtees and William's later children with Isabella.

Hope that makes sense, but maybe I've got my wires crossed somewhere...

Sorry, only have basic info from Family Search, not certificate nor parish records.

Knowledge of the family has unravelled under another related post during the course of today, including that William was also born in Scotland.

Thanks for that, Alan.  Enlightening!

It's all slowly piecing together.

Elsewhere I have been working backwards through the Miller line as far as Jane Miller, and had reached a standstill, when she gave birth to Henry in the Workhouse in 1858 with no father named.
I now have her in 1861, 71 and 81 census but no sign of her in 1851 as far as I recall.  That would be interesting - she may be in service I guess or maybe I've overlooked her somewhere.

William Miller was named as her father on her later marriage cert and now I have this latest info of Miller family moving from Scotland with Camperdown as a first base in the north east.  This all seems to fit together and so I feel I've finally got somewhere! I think William Miller is elusive in 1851 as well so maybe that will be he key find as he and Jane might be together somewhere?

An interesting twist - I've ordered birth and marriage certificates to confirm - is that Jane seems to have married a Thomas Bates in Christ Church, Tynemouth in 1855 had a son Thomas, who died aged 4. She then had Henry Miller in 1858 in the workhouse. Not sure how long she was in the workhouse before appearing in Newcastle in 1861, what happened to Thomas Bates Sr. or whether their son lived in the workhouse with Jane and Henry or was somewhere with his father.

I know there are some Tynemouth Union Workhouse documents in various Archives but not sure if they would shed any light on this.

And of course... who is the father of Henry Miller, if not her husband Thomas Bates??