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Armagh / Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
« on: Saturday 09 June 12 07:45 BST (UK)  »
Hi Wordly Wanderer,
Thanks you your interest and response. Note sure if my reply will help clarify much

1.   No, we don’t have a date or location for marriage of Richard Pentland + Mary Ann Davis. Like much of what we “know” of our ancestors, the snippet of ‘United Church of England’ came from verbal comments by an ‘aunt’ (since deceased) who got it from her mother – presumably from comments by our ggrandfather William around the kitchen table. We know this is an unreliable method of data collection but thought it better to record what we think we know rather than let those snippets disappear with time

2.   Reference to ‘Gilmerton a village near Swanton at the foot of the Pentland Hills’ comes from a similar source as (1). We suspect that reference to Pentland Hills comes from someone over here looking at a map of Scotland trying to locate Gilmerton and noting that interesting geographical feature nearby. We have no idea when ‘our’ Pentlands migrated from Scotland, just the verbal advice that they did.

3.   Yes, we are developing a theory that migrants from England were like rabbits and multiplied to fill the open land. William and Eliza had 12 children, 11 survived and married and had large families as well. We have another set of ancestors who migrated a generation earlier (1837) and we have recorded 7,200 descendants in Oz but only a couple of relatives apparently still alive in UK

4.   Source as for (1). Suspect that most Australians think Armagh and Belfast are just down the road from each other

5.   Family Bible entered  the family in 1871, with records starting with William & Eliza’s marriage in 1854, so no reference to Ireland

6.   William’s  Marriage Certificate gives birth 1830, his family bible gives 1823 (or 1828?), amended to 1826 - Immigration records suggest 1830 (‘age 21’). There are other date and name amendments in the bible (which differ from some Birth Certificates) so we take it with a large grain of salt.

7.– 10.   In  2007 my sister asked Ulster Ancestry, Londonderry to research William P and Richard P+ Mary Ann Davis. The result was email lists of apparent extracts from ‘Public Records Office’ records for Pentlands from Church of Ireland records. Will try and get more info from my sister,

11.   Yes, just imagine how confused we are at this distance

12.   Don’t think so, am not sure

13.   Yes, we have William and Eliza’s passenger listings, ship name (and captain), departure dates & arrival dates. Those are the earliest official records we have of each.

14.    Agreed. If we had accurate information we would be a lot further along. At the moment we just hope someone else is researching  Richard P + Mary Ann DAVIS   

Many thanks

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Armagh / Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
« on: Thursday 07 June 12 12:42 BST (UK)  »
Hi Red Rover (and others)
This is about all we know of the family of my ggrandfather William PENTLAND. Any chance you recognise any names?

1.  RICHARD PENTLAND married Mary Ann DAVIS at United Church of England, Ireland. It is thought that Richard and Mary lived in County Armagh, North Ireland, that one is buried in Armagh and one buried in Belfast, and that there were relatives in Tandragee, North Ireland.
Parents or grandparents or ancestors migrated from Gilmerton, a village near Swanton at the foot of the Pentland Hills, Scotland.
He and Mary Ann DAVIS lived on 6 Dec 1829 at Drumnakelly, Armagh Co., North Ireland, at the time of son William's baptism, Richard a weaver.
He and Mary Ann DAVIS lived on 11 Dec 1831 at Drumnakelly, Armagh Co., North Ireland, at the time of son Davis's baptism, Richard recorded as a weaver. In 1858 at Annagh townland, Drumcree parish, Armagh Co, North Ireland, The Griffith Valuation recorded a Richard Pentland leasing a house and small garden from Mary Totten (who leased it and others from the Duke of Manchester), annual rateable valuation of 1 pound 10 shillings.
The four children of Richard PENTLAND and Mary Ann DAVIS were as follows:
    2.   i.   WILLIAM PENTLAND. was born on 2 Jun 1829 at ?, County Armagh, Ireland, (his Marriage Certificate gives 1830, the family bible gives 1823 (or 1828?), amended to 1826 - Baptism records suggest 1829).
       ii.   CHARLOTTE PENTLAND was born circa 1830.
       iii.   SARAH PENTLAND was born in 1830 at Ireland.
    3.   iv.   DAVIS PENTLAND was baptized on 11 Dec 1831 at Church of Ireland, Drumcree, Armagh Co., North Ireland.

2   William Pentland migrated to Australia in 1852. He was followed in 1853 by Eliza EWING(S), a Presbyterian domestic servant of County Armagh born c1835, married in 1854. (Have documented 2,500 children & spouses)

3.  DAVIS PENTLAND. That this Davis is a brother of William is assumed from baptism records - father Richard, mother Mary Ann, of Drumnakelly - with the presumption that his given name reflects his mother's surname.
He was baptized on 11 Dec 1831 at Church of Ireland, Drumcree, Armagh Co., North Ireland; surname recorded as PEDLETON. He married Elizabeth KITCHEN, daughter of Robert KITCHEN, on 8 Apr 1853 at Church of Ireland, Banbridge, Tullylish, Down, Ireland. He died before 1861 when wife Elizabeth remarried.
ELIZABETH KITCHEN was born in 1834 at Mullabrack, Tullylish, Down, Ireland. She married George NEIL on 14 Jul 1861 at Seagoe, Armagh, Ireland.
The only child of Davis PENTLAND and Elizabeth KITCHEN was:
       i.   WILLIAM JOHN PENTLAND was born on 12 Sep 1854 at Drumaran, Tullylish, Down, Ireland.

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