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Armagh / Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
« on: Saturday 09 June 12 07:45 BST (UK) »
Hi Wordly Wanderer,
Thanks you your interest and response. Note sure if my reply will help clarify much
1. No, we don’t have a date or location for marriage of Richard Pentland + Mary Ann Davis. Like much of what we “know” of our ancestors, the snippet of ‘United Church of England’ came from verbal comments by an ‘aunt’ (since deceased) who got it from her mother – presumably from comments by our ggrandfather William around the kitchen table. We know this is an unreliable method of data collection but thought it better to record what we think we know rather than let those snippets disappear with time
2. Reference to ‘Gilmerton a village near Swanton at the foot of the Pentland Hills’ comes from a similar source as (1). We suspect that reference to Pentland Hills comes from someone over here looking at a map of Scotland trying to locate Gilmerton and noting that interesting geographical feature nearby. We have no idea when ‘our’ Pentlands migrated from Scotland, just the verbal advice that they did.
3. Yes, we are developing a theory that migrants from England were like rabbits and multiplied to fill the open land. William and Eliza had 12 children, 11 survived and married and had large families as well. We have another set of ancestors who migrated a generation earlier (1837) and we have recorded 7,200 descendants in Oz but only a couple of relatives apparently still alive in UK
4. Source as for (1). Suspect that most Australians think Armagh and Belfast are just down the road from each other
5. Family Bible entered the family in 1871, with records starting with William & Eliza’s marriage in 1854, so no reference to Ireland
6. William’s Marriage Certificate gives birth 1830, his family bible gives 1823 (or 1828?), amended to 1826 - Immigration records suggest 1830 (‘age 21’). There are other date and name amendments in the bible (which differ from some Birth Certificates) so we take it with a large grain of salt.
7.– 10. In 2007 my sister asked Ulster Ancestry, Londonderry to research William P and Richard P+ Mary Ann Davis. The result was email lists of apparent extracts from ‘Public Records Office’ records for Pentlands from Church of Ireland records. Will try and get more info from my sister,
11. Yes, just imagine how confused we are at this distance
12. Don’t think so, am not sure
13. Yes, we have William and Eliza’s passenger listings, ship name (and captain), departure dates & arrival dates. Those are the earliest official records we have of each.
14. Agreed. If we had accurate information we would be a lot further along. At the moment we just hope someone else is researching Richard P + Mary Ann DAVIS
Many thanks
Thanks you your interest and response. Note sure if my reply will help clarify much
1. No, we don’t have a date or location for marriage of Richard Pentland + Mary Ann Davis. Like much of what we “know” of our ancestors, the snippet of ‘United Church of England’ came from verbal comments by an ‘aunt’ (since deceased) who got it from her mother – presumably from comments by our ggrandfather William around the kitchen table. We know this is an unreliable method of data collection but thought it better to record what we think we know rather than let those snippets disappear with time
2. Reference to ‘Gilmerton a village near Swanton at the foot of the Pentland Hills’ comes from a similar source as (1). We suspect that reference to Pentland Hills comes from someone over here looking at a map of Scotland trying to locate Gilmerton and noting that interesting geographical feature nearby. We have no idea when ‘our’ Pentlands migrated from Scotland, just the verbal advice that they did.
3. Yes, we are developing a theory that migrants from England were like rabbits and multiplied to fill the open land. William and Eliza had 12 children, 11 survived and married and had large families as well. We have another set of ancestors who migrated a generation earlier (1837) and we have recorded 7,200 descendants in Oz but only a couple of relatives apparently still alive in UK
4. Source as for (1). Suspect that most Australians think Armagh and Belfast are just down the road from each other
5. Family Bible entered the family in 1871, with records starting with William & Eliza’s marriage in 1854, so no reference to Ireland
6. William’s Marriage Certificate gives birth 1830, his family bible gives 1823 (or 1828?), amended to 1826 - Immigration records suggest 1830 (‘age 21’). There are other date and name amendments in the bible (which differ from some Birth Certificates) so we take it with a large grain of salt.
7.– 10. In 2007 my sister asked Ulster Ancestry, Londonderry to research William P and Richard P+ Mary Ann Davis. The result was email lists of apparent extracts from ‘Public Records Office’ records for Pentlands from Church of Ireland records. Will try and get more info from my sister,
11. Yes, just imagine how confused we are at this distance
12. Don’t think so, am not sure
13. Yes, we have William and Eliza’s passenger listings, ship name (and captain), departure dates & arrival dates. Those are the earliest official records we have of each.
14. Agreed. If we had accurate information we would be a lot further along. At the moment we just hope someone else is researching Richard P + Mary Ann DAVIS
Many thanks