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Antrim / Re: Wilson fish shop Belfast
« on: Tuesday 18 March 14 23:00 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Janet
I have just seen your posting as I have not been on this site for about 18 months. My mother died in the August just before your posting and we seem to have exhausted all contacts.  I hope you can give us all as much information about the Wilsons as possible,most of what we now came from your Jimmy and my Mother and Grandmother. Can you also confirm if the other sister was Annie I just seem odd I never heard Auntie Jean or my Grandmother talking about her especially as Jean lived with us for years.  Apologies for what was said about your Mother, people say things within the family and they are not always correct and what you said about the insect bite must be correct.  It was insensitive of me to say otherwise.  I was really very surprised to hear that there were still some of Jimmys brothers and sisters around, however, I suppose he was a grown man when you were born.  I cant imagine what it must have been for you without your Mam as I have two little granddaughters both aged three.  Once again I we can correspond I actually have a nice photo of the twins and Auntie Jeans, they are probably about 8-10 years on the photo.  I will post it in the next day or two.

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Antrim / Re: Wilson fish shop Belfast
« on: Wednesday 20 April 11 09:25 BST (UK)  »
A keep getting a message that the photos have the same name, I keep changing them and nothing happens, this is my third time - hopefully lucky regards

Hasnt worked - am trying two different photos - No.1 Mary Dunseith and sons
Second my Grandmother her sister Elizabeth

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Antrim / Re: Wilson fish shop Belfast
« on: Tuesday 19 April 11 22:31 BST (UK)  »
Hi Couple of photos of the twins (Photo 1).  First photo Elizabeth (Lilly) and Mary (May) with their mother Mary Jane.

Elizabeth married James Hill on 20 September 1911 and was aged 23 at St Annes Belfast.  She had three sons James born 9th April 1912 at 97 Donneybrook St, Belfast.  He died 17 Nov 1955 aged 43 (Bachelor) of TB final address 54 Windsor Road.  John was born 6th July 1915 and died 5th Jan 1918 (Broncho Pneumonia) he was born 83 Donneybrook St.  Gordon was born 23 June 1923 and died 1991 aged 67.  Elizabeth died aged 4th Feb 1968 aged 79 if heart disease.

Mary married Samuel Wilson Neil Dunseith on 26 March 1910 at St Annes.  They had about 12 children, only names I know are James (Jimmy - died 15 June 1997), John and Sammy.  Mary died on 20th June 1937 aged 49 and on her certification the cause of death says unclear.  My grandmother say there was a coverup and her husband was very unkind to her.  I think he will be the one you referred to earlier.  I knew their son Jimmy and he was a lovely man in fact my brother has a tape somewhere of Jimmy talking about family history so we will try to find it.  You can find the Dunseith's on the 1911 census at 5 Rainey Street, Windsor Ward.

Mary Jane the mother died on 22 September 1935 of intestinal statis Grave P752 City Cemetery.
James the Father died 16th December 1923 aged 74 City Cemetery - on both these records is says grave owner Thomas Kyle.
Mary Jane Wilson the other sister died 12 December 1965 aged 80 buried in City Cemetery -W1 196-Glenalina Extension
After this I have very little information other than some more photos to say John (photo2 attached) obviously must has squandered the money from the shops.  He was a member of the Ulster Sports Club often went to functions at the City Hall, taking my grandmother and was obviously a man about town, although died penniless we think in a lodging house in Bethnal Green late 50s or early 60s.


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Antrim / Re: Wilson fish shop Belfast
« on: Monday 18 April 11 22:47 BST (UK)  »
Hi - two more photographs the first is the shop at 74 to 76 Albertbridge Road and the second photograph has the name as James Wilson is this your relative?  My brother said Jimmy Dunseith (son of Mary and Samuel gave him this photo).   

Unfortunately I have searched the 1901 Census and cannot find the Wilsons.  This Census is incomplete and a large part of Lisburn Road is missing but I dont think they were there at that time as the Belfast Street directory listed.  I seem to recall Auntie Jean (Jane) saying that they lived around the Mount Street area which is near to Albertbridge Road and went to school in Templemore Avenue.  On the Lennon Wylie street directories for Belfast 1907 there is a M J Wilson Fishmonger living at the address below also No.72 Albertbridge Road M J Wilson and also the 1901 directory has similar information:
 
Cut and paste from website removed- please see this page of the website for details-
http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/mcomplete1907_2.htm

Wilson, Jas., fish monger, 23 Mount Street No. 2 - This is from the 1901 Belfast Street directory, but I cannot find this on the Census.
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I will try to gather some more information for you as this is getting message is rambling a bit.  regards and will post a few more photos



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Antrim / Re: Wilson fish shop Belfast
« on: Sunday 17 April 11 21:41 BST (UK)  »
Hi - Two photos to start - the problem is by making the resolution small the quality of the photos are getting poor (they are very old and not very good anyway).  The first photograph is James Wilson your James' father.  The second photograph is The Wilson children with their Mother Mary Jane.  The children are John, Annie, Jane, twins Elizabeth and Mary and baby Robert.

Let me know if you can access these as I have about six others to post.

regards

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Antrim / Re: Wilson fish shop Belfast
« on: Thursday 14 April 11 22:44 BST (UK)  »
Hi – You may be right about Scotland.  Therre is a ten year gap between James and the rest of the children though on the 1911 Census Mary Jane had 11 children, 4 died it is possible some of these may be between James and John.  I have seen that certificate  you mention last year on the Ulster Family Historical Site but don’t think that is Jane as we are almost sure Mary Jane's maiden name was McLeod.  Just found Jane's death certification on Belfast Cemetaries and she is called Mary Jane Wilson died 12 December 1965 aged 80.  I know her birthday was in October and I seem to think 17th but not absolutely sure of the date.   I know the death certification is correct because my Grandmothers address is listed and Jane lived with her  during the last couple of years of her life.  Seems odd that she is Mary Jane and one the twins was Mary (although called May).  Cannot find any of the children’s birth certificates.  I do know the twins marriage dates and will put together better information in another post.  Did get scans of the photos but these were too large to post and were rejected.  Am currently the size of the photos reduced.  By the way the twin Mary( May) married a Samuel Dunseith but more of that later.

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Antrim / Re: Wilson fish shop Belfast
« on: Sunday 10 April 11 21:37 BST (UK)  »
Hi was unable to read your personal message because I do not have enough posts on the website as I saw your message by sheer chance and my message was the first posting from me (apparently three posts are needed to access person messages.  Will try to get photos scanned this week and I will put them in as several posts so that I can access your message.  In answer to your query, as far as we know, Mary Jane's maiden name was McLeod (or McCloud) she has some connection to Greenock in Scotland. Recently I have looked at some of the Scottish sites but there are lots of McLeods in Greenock so it is finding the correct Mary Jane, if indeed she was born there.  The 1911 census says she was born in Belfast but some of the family think she may have been born in Greenock.  My mother also mentioned Dunoon which is near Greenock.  I will try to gather as much information as possible.  Jane your James's sister used to take my father with her to Greenock for holidays when he was a small boy but that is all I know as my father died about 20 years ago and unfortunately he was never interested in family ties.  regards

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Antrim / Re: Wilson fish shop Belfast
« on: Thursday 07 April 11 20:15 BST (UK)  »
Hi saw your message and realised your James Wilson was my grandmother's brother.  Sorry I cant help with regard to what happened to the shops but I can give you some family background with dates etc etc.

I was confused when I read your message because we always thought John was the eldest son and it seems your relative James was the eldest and we knew John had lived in London.  My mother is from Lancashire lived in Belfast from 1949 and John had left Belfast by then.  My Mother who is 85 thought James lived in Lisburn and had a farm.  Incidentally John died in London either late 1950s or very early 1960s and he died penniless.  As far as I know there was seven children as mentioned on the 1911 census.  The great grandmother gave birth to 11 of which 7 lived namely.  James, John, Annie, Jane (known as Jean), twins Elizabeth (Lilly) and Mary (May) and finally Robert (Bob).  My great grandfather James died in 1923 and the great grandmother died in 1935 the address on her death certification is 429 Lisburn Road.  We were told it the business generated a very good income because they had trawlers in the 1920s and the telephone number for 429 Lisburn Road is listed in the 1913 Belfast telephone directory which you can view if you visit Lennon Wylie site which gives street directories for all belfast roughly from 1890s up to approx 1913.  The other shop in question was on the Albertbridge Road, Nos 74 and 76.  The name above the shop was actually John Wilson and I have a photograph of that shop.  We also have photographs of the family in their younger days.  Looking at dates your relative would have been approximately 18 when the twins were born and the brother John was about 10.  He is still living at home in the 1911 census.  Incidentally your relative my grans brother was married in the October 1911 and my gran was married a month earlier in the Sept same year.  Her sister Mary (known as May) was married the year before.  Jane (or we called her Auntie Jean) never married.  My mother thinks Annie married and become a Johnston (not sure which spelling is correct for that name) nor do we know anything about Robert.

If you are still interested I can give you more information dates of marriages etc and I also have a photograph which says James Wilson on the back, however, the gentleman is in a military uniform so this may not be the correct James Wilson.

It may be that the great granparents left wills in which case I know the dates but will need to find them.  I just found them recently on a free site for Belfast burials.

Hope some of this is of interest to you best wishes 



 

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