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Lancashire / Re: Ann Linday chr c1763 Kirkby Ireleth Lookup please
« on: Wednesday 29 May 19 12:16 BST (UK)  »
The Phoebe Coward in the Will was born Phoebe Lindow in 1753,  married John Coward, a tailor at Knapperthaw, and died at Hawkswell in 1802.

I have that it was John and Phoebe's daughter Hannah that married Myles Shaw in 1818, and that their daughter Phoebe married William Sparke.

I can only find one child of Myles and Hannah Shaw: Phoebe, b 1823 Finsthwaite.  Do you know of any more?

Phoebe Coward, nee Lindow, is my Greatx4 Great-aunt.

Best wishes,

Pete

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Lancashire / Re: higgin
« on: Saturday 29 November 14 11:28 GMT (UK)  »
Jane Lowes, wife of Mark Higgin, was the daughter of John Lowes of Egremont, Cumberland, a spinning-wheel maker.  John died 9th November 1919.  I have a copy of John's Will, which mentions daughter Jane Higgin.

Pete

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Lancashire / Re: Ann Linday chr c1763 Kirkby Ireleth Lookup please
« on: Sunday 07 September 14 17:27 BST (UK)  »
Hi,

The abstract of the Will of James Lindow, Yeoman of Broughton Beck from 1796 that is in the National Archives helps here.  The abstract mentions James's surviving brothers John and William.  More particularly, it also mentioned his cousins Thomas, who lived with the testator, and James, Thomas's brother. 

Also mentioned, but not identified as cousins, are Phoebe Coward of Knapperthaw, Anne Newton of Wellhouse in Kirkby, William Coward of Knapperthaw and Mary Simpson, wife of James Simpson, Blacksmith of Broughton Beck.   I know from other research that Phoebe, William and Mary are siblings of the testator's cousins Thomas and James.  Their parents are William Lindow of Hawkswell, d 1768, and his wife Anne, nee Postlethwaite.  From the Will of the latter mentioned William Lindow, it is known that he had a daughter Anne alive in 1768.  I can't see another Anne Newton in Kirkby round the same time, so it looks to me that the Ann who married William Newton in Blawith in 1784 was Anne Lindow, and that Linday is a typo/misreading.  From her gravestone, she was 82 when she died in March 1839, so would be a reasonable match for the Anne, daughter of William Lindow of Flann, Mansriggs, baptised at Ulverston 22 Oct 1757.

Anne Postlethwaite, wife of William Lindow of Hawkswell, was daughter of Robert Postlethwaite of Hierlath/Higherlath Osmotherley, and his wife Ann, nee Higgin, daughter of William Higgin of Osmotherley and his wife Mary, nee Atkinson  I have a copy of William Higgin's Will that mentions his son-in-law Robert Postlethwaite from 1715 that shows this.

The abstract of James Lindow Will from 1796 has 2 other items of interest: it mentions another cousin Isabel Muckelt and her daughter Hannah Yeats.  I haven't fitted these 2 in yet.  It also says that James Lindow, the cousin, doesn't get his inheritance until he takes a good and lawful wife and behaves properly toward her. I wonder what was the cause of this?

Best wishes,

Pete


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Lancashire / Re: Ann Linday chr c1763 Kirkby Ireleth Lookup please
« on: Tuesday 17 April 12 19:42 BST (UK)  »
True, but there is a William Lindow, overseer of the poor at Oxenhouse, Blawith in 1751

In the 18th century, there are quite a few Lindows in Lowick, which is just south of Blawith.  There are more Lindows in Ulverston, many of whom are living around Broughton Beck and Egton townships, which border on to Lowick.

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Lancashire / Re: Ann Linday chr c1763 Kirkby Ireleth Lookup please
« on: Monday 16 April 12 22:44 BST (UK)  »
Hi,

Have you considered that Linday could be a typo?   There are a few people with the surname Lindsay in Furness, but Lindow is quite common, particularly in the area between Lowick and Ulverston.  One possibility is Anne Lindow, b 1757, daughter of William Lindow of Hawkswell and his wife Anne, nee Postlethwaite.

I haven't checked the original of the Blawith marriage, but it seems plausible that Lindow could have been misread as Linday.

Pete

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The Common Room / Re: Can anyone work this out?
« on: Wednesday 13 April 11 19:36 BST (UK)  »
Jane (James's eldest child) married William Bell of Newton, a husbandman.  I think she died in 1834 at Swarthmoor.  I thought at one time Jane may have been left out of her father's Will because she had been provided for my her maternal grandfather, Edmund Gibson, but I think he died much earlier in 1734.

I don't think there is time between the birth of Jane in early 1752 and James's second marriage in July 1753 for James and Dorothy to be born to Ann unless they were twins.  This seems unlikely though, given they were baptised on different dates.

I think the two likely scenarios are that

(1)  Dorothy was daughter of Ann, but Ann died soon after her birth, and Dorothy's baptism was forgotten about for several years.

or

(2)  The Dade baptism for Dorothy Sill is wrong.

Pete

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The Common Room / Re: Can anyone work this out?
« on: Tuesday 12 April 11 20:54 BST (UK)  »
I missed some information:  In James Postlethwaite's Will, he left money to his 7 out of 8 of his surviving children, but excluded the eldest, Jane.  He also stipulated that the 7 should pay a certain amount per year to support James's widow Elizabeth. 

If Dorothy were the daughter of Ann Gibson, would it be likely that her father would make her support her stepmother?  Isn't it more likely that all the surviving children of Elizabeth are treated equally?

Pete

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The Common Room / Re: Can anyone work this out?
« on: Monday 11 April 11 21:56 BST (UK)  »
Here are the various bits of information relating to James's two marriages and ten children:

There is a marriage bond for James Postlethwaite, 27, husbandman, and Ann Gibson, 21, both of Dalton-in-Furness, dated 6-May-1751.

James and Ann married 8-May-1851 at Dalton-in-Furness.

There is a marriage bond for James Postlethwaite, 40, farmer, and Elizabeth Postlethwaite, 23, both of Pennington, dated 8-Jul-1753.

In a LPRS publication, there is a marriage between John Postlethwaite and Elizabeth Postlethwaite on 8-Jul-1753 at Cartmel.

There are 2 Janes, daughter of James Postlethwaite, baptised at Dalton on 16-Feb-1752 and 16-Mar-1752 respectively.

James, son of James Postlethwaite of Lowfield House, baptised at Pennington 1-Jan-1754

Dorothy, dau of James Postlethwaite of Lowfield House, baptised at Pennington 1-Jan-1756

Betty, dau of James Postlethwaite of Lowfield House, baptised at Pennington 1-Jan-1758

Margaret, dau of James Postlethwaite of Lowfield House, baptised at Pennington 20-Apr-1760

Thomas, son of James Postlethwaite of Lowfield House, baptised at Pennington 13-Jun-1762

William, son of James Postlethwaite of Lowfield House, baptised at Pennington 6-Jan-1765

Henry, son of James & Elizabeth Postlethwaite, baptised at Pennington 26-Jul-1767, born 26-Jun-1767

Margaret, dau of James Postlethwaite of Lindale, baptised at Dalton 1-Jan-1773

John, son of James Postlethwaite of Lindale, baptised at Dalton 15-Sep-1776.

In the Whitehaven archives, there is an admission and surrender by James Postlethwaite of Lowfield House, Pennington and Elizabeth his wife, dated 28-Oct-1757.

In the Lowick records, there is a Dade baptism for Dorothy Sill, identifying Dorothy Postlethwaite's mother as being Ann Gibson, daughter of Edmund Gibson of Dalton.

There is a burial for an Anne Postlethwaite at Dalton on 26-May-1754

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There are several inconsistencies here:

The names on the marriage bond don't quite match the names on the marriage at Cartmel.  Given they are the same date, it seems likely to me that there is a typo in either the Cartmel transcription or original register.

The ages on the 2 marriage bonds are not consistent - with James ageing 13 years in 2.  My view on this is that ages on marriage bonds are often widely inaccurate, so both could be several years out here.

If the Cartmel marriage is the correct one, then it would seem likely that all but Jane would be children of James and Elizabeth.  This would contradict Dorothy Sill's Dade baptism.  I'm in difficulty here, as is it reasonable that Dorothy's grandmother was incorrectly identified?

I think the Anne Postlethwaite who died in Dalton in 1754 is not part of this family, as by then James is at Lowfield House.

Given the surrender information, I'm fairly sure that Betty onwards are children of Thomas and Elizabeth, but how about James and Dorothy?

Pete


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The Common Room / Re: Can anyone work this out?
« on: Saturday 09 April 11 18:56 BST (UK)  »
Hi Lizzie,

I think Roger Postlethwaite's Will is on the History of Kirkby site - I think he is the one from Bankhouse, dated 1769.

Pete

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