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Australia / Re: Fredolin and Elizabetha Schmeider aboard the Fanny Kirchner from Germany in 1858
« on: Sunday 03 December 23 02:09 GMT (UK)  »
Dear Leisa,

My apologies, but I have only just seen your post from 10 April 2023.

It was definitely not my intention to upset you, nor is it my intention to argue with you. I understand how precious family memories and stories are. You were obviously extremely close to your much-loved father and have an understandable desire to keep both his memory, and that of your ancestors, alive.

I would very much like to see the newspaper article you mention from the time of your great-grandparents' wedding anniversary. I would imagine it refers to their Golden Anniversary in 1931? (If you have already posted it here on Rootschat, I'm sorry, but I haven't been able to find it.)

The article would add to my knowledge about the "Fanny Kirchner" and the immigrants who arrived aboard her. It may also help to correct any misassumptions I have made in my research.

With regards my article in "Ances-tree" (March 2021), the birth date of 16 Feb 1858 for your great-grandfather Carl is as per the 'Picture Ipswich' website and the (Ipswich) Early Settlers Database website. (You didn't give a date of birth in your posts, as far as I could see, prior to my article being published, and your great-grandfather's headstone does not provide a specific one.)

The daughter, Elisabeth Marie, mentioned in the article, married Henry DAMM and passed away 16 Oct 1879, aged just 23, that is, she was born c.1856

I have never stated that the SCHMEIDERs were not aboard the "Fanny Kirchner" - I have said that, given the information I had to hand, it did not seem likely. With over 200 passengers aboard the "Fanny Kirchner" and approx. half of these unidentified, I am always happy to stand corrected with any of my research.

with kind regards
Lisa

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Australia / Re: Fredolin and Elizabetha Schmeider aboard the Fanny Kirchner from Germany in 1858
« on: Wednesday 20 January 21 00:12 GMT (UK)  »
Hi, Leisa!

Can you please give the names of the two books you purchased re the "Fanny Kirchner"?

I've been researching this ship and her 1857/58 voyage to Sydney and would be very interested in these.

Ships' captains were supposed to register deaths and births upon arrival in port. However, that didn't happen with several of the 'German' ships arriving here around that time.

(I do know of some instances where German immigrants wrote home to relatives, or their pastor/priest, advising of births/deaths and had these entered in the church records of their parish.)

You mention a log-book being on-line. Do you mean the Sydney Shipping Master's report?
http://marinersandships.com.au/1858/03/004fan.htm

The number of immigrants reported to be aboard the "Fanny Kirchner" varies, depending on the source; 214, 210, 203, 200, 179 - and there's debate whether or not Cabin passengers and infants under 1 year were included in those totals. Certainly, there were more than those who signed letters of thanks to the Captain. (There are two - the one on the Die Maus, Bremen, website and the one appearing in the "Sydney Morning Herald" 09 Mar 1858.)

Likewise, the reported number of deaths varies - the Health Officer's Report states 4 deaths, 3 of which were infants, the "SMH", publishing the Health Officer's Report, states 2 deaths, and another source says 2 adults and 'several children'. However, all agree on the one birth taking place.

There is a difficulty, however, with this child being your ancestor. A male child by the name of JANSON was born during the voyage of the "Fanny Kirchner'. (His mother died soon after arrival and her death was the subject of an Inquest.) If it is accurate that only 1 birth took place, it can't, therefore, be that of your Carl Frederick SCHMEIDER.

Additionally, the "Fanny Kirchner", as per the Health Officer's Report, was not placed in quarantine and there was not small pox aboard. (The "Armin", which arrived in late 1858, did have small-pox, but this doesn't fit with your ancestor's stated date of birth, the 16th Feb 1858. This is also problematic as the vessel was still at sea then - not in port.)

I know how frustrating this must be for you and hope you do find something that will give you the answers you're looking for. And, of course, if you do, I'm sure there are many of us who would be interested to hear of it!

Rgs
Lisa

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Australia / Re: Charlotte Louise KENO/Conrad HEMP married 1879 Queensland
« on: Sunday 03 April 11 03:16 BST (UK)  »
Not certain where Louise ?VOIGHT was born, Darren. 'Hannover', is as good as it gets, most likely the 'Kingdom of' ....

Supposedly Fredrick was born Goettingen, Hannover (present-day Niedersachen) so perhaps Louisa was, too.

Rgs
Lisa

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Australia / Re: Charlotte Louise KENO/Conrad HEMP married 1879 Queensland
« on: Saturday 02 April 11 02:05 BST (UK)  »
Are you still there, Minnie?

I, too, am interested in Charlotte Louise KENO, although I am not related to/descended from the family, and have information I am happy to share. What is your connection? Charlotte Louise was born in Australia to German-born parents, Fredrick and Louisa KENO nee VOIGHT/VOGHT. (The surname 'KENO' appears to have Anglicized.)

Rgs
Lisa

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