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Scotland / Re: 1851/1861/71/81 census look up please - Yorkstone
« on: Sunday 11 March 12 23:34 GMT (UK)  »
Forfarian.......

Your reference to:

The Yorkstons generally seem not to have been very diligent at having their baptisms recorded

Is perfectly correct and reminds me of the note that I have for the children of Alexander Yorkston and Catherine Phair which says:

...." entry of births for all children dated 29th December 1854
it refers to Alexander Yorkston ( now deceased ) and Catherine Phair "

......one wonders why the entry was made 4 yrs after Alexander's death?

Seeing the names John Y and Elizabeth Esplin reminds me also that Archibald Yorkston 1790-1870, son of John Yorkston and Janet Kerr, marries Marion Esplin 13.11.1814 at Larbert. ( Marion looks to be the sister to Elizabeth)

Marion's parents are John Esplen[e] + Marion Gilchrist, for whom IGI has the following:

1. WILLIAM ESPLINE  - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 04 FEB 1783 Wallacetown-Polmont, Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland
2. William <ESPLIN> - International Genealogical Index
Gender: <Male> Birth: 04 FEB 1783 Wallacetown, Polmont, Stirling, Scotland
3. Elizabeth <ESPLIN> - International Genealogical Index
Gender: <Female> Birth: 18 APR 1793 Wallacetown, Polmont, Stirling, Scotland
4. WILLIAM ESPLINE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 10 FEB 1783 Polmont, Stirling, Scotland
5. MARION ESPLIN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 02 MAY 1790 Polmont, Stirling, Scotland
6. ELISABETH ESPLINE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 18 APR 1793 Wallacestone And Standrig, Stirling, Scotland
7. MARION ESPLINE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 29 APR 1790 Wallacestone And Standrig, Stirling, Scotland
8. Marion <ESPLIN> - International Genealogical Index
Gender: <Female> Birth: 29 APR 1790 Wallacetown, Polmont, Stirling, Scotland
9. ELIZABETH ESPLIN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 28 APR 1793 Polmont, Stirling, Scotland 

Who is the John Yorkston who married Elizabeth Esplin? Who were his parents? and where does he fit into the jigsaw?

Vinci

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Scotland / Re: 1851/1861/71/81 census look up please - Yorkstone
« on: Sunday 11 March 12 09:39 GMT (UK)  »
Forfarian.......

There is no record of a Marion Yorkston born to Alexander Yorkston and Ann Kincaid.

Your thought needs some proof that you are right.

I have not been able to find this Marion's death record to confirm your thought.

all we have on the record are two sons:

(1)Alexander b/c/ 23.5.1814 Larbert ( d. 25.6.1850 St. Cuthbert's Edinburgh)

(2) John b/c/ 1811 Larbet

and on John we have no further data, he disappears off the radar .....not on 1841 census or 1880 US census or Scottish/Engflish/Canadian 1881 census.

John Yorkston and Janet Kerr have six children
Alexander, Marion, Agnes, Archibald, Alexander and Janet.

In this era it is a possibility that emigration took place and the Low family went abroad (Yorkstons from the Alexander Yorkston + Catherine Phair branch later went to the US) , so the hunt continues.

vinci





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Scotland / Re: 1851/1861/71/81 census look up please - Yorkstone
« on: Saturday 10 March 12 20:23 GMT (UK)  »
Forfarian has, in answer to my Q.

There is a Peter Low, son of James Low and Marion Yorkston, born 1840 in Larbert and baptised on 23 August 1840. The 1851 census lists in Stenhousemuir a family consisting of James Lowe, 34; wife Marion, 32; and son Peter, 10; all born in Larbert.

At 1841 here they are:

1841 Census
3 Records found
        
Piece: SCT1841/485 Place: Larbert -Stirlingshire Enumeration District: 2
Civil Parish: Larbert Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Larbert
Folio: 485 Page: 6
Address: Rennies Feus

        Surname       First name(s)       Sex       Age       Occupation       Where Born       Remarks   
        LOW       James       M       20       Turner        Stirlingshire           
        LOW       Marion       F       20               Stirlingshire           
        LOW       Peter       M       1               Stirlingshire

and the birth of Peter:

Birth Peter Low 4.8.1840 Larbert Mother Marion Yorkston father James Low

This Marion Yorkston cannot be the Marion daughter of John Yorkston and Janet Kerr, as she is born c 1821, whereas Marion daughter of John+Janet is born 20.1.1781, a good generation away.

So far I have been unable to find a birth of a Marion Yorkston c. 1821, and which may help to unlock the puzzle a little further.

Vinci




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Scotland / Re: 1851/1861/71/81 census look up please - Yorkstone
« on: Friday 09 March 12 19:36 GMT (UK)  »
Forfarian writes

"The 1841 census has in Larbert Village Alx Y, 55; Ann Y, 55 and Janet Y, 15. These look like Alexander Y and Anne Kincaid, so this would fit with Anne Kincaid's husband being the son of John Y and Janet Kerr."

Kirkmichael and I  have no record of Janet Yorkston age 15 at 1841, ie born c 1826.
Is she a relative acting as servant in the household? For children of Alexander Yorkston and Anne Kincaid we only have Alexander Yorkston born 23.5.1814 and John Yorkston born 1811
 
I am interested in who is the death witness for Alexander in 1857 as posted above, as a daughter of Alexander Yorkston and Ann Kincaid must have married a (?) Lowe (?) to produce grandson Peter Lowe (?) the death witness. We have daughters Marion b/c 20.1.1781 Falkirk; Agnes b/c 17.11.1776 Falkirk and Janet b/c 22.12.1793 Falkirk.

Our record shows the latter Janet marries Peter Hogg 14.11.1819, Larbert, Stirling, but the record only shows children James and John, two sons who would not produce Peter Lowe (?).

We have no further information on Marion Yorkston b 1781 or Agnes Yorkston b 1776 and if they survived/married/produced children etc.

Alexander Yorkston who died 25.6.1850 recorded at St. Cuthberts Edinburgh is a "practical engineer". According to our record he pre-deceased his father also Alexander Yorkston ( in similar trade as Iron Caster) who died 30.6.1857 at Stenhousmuir, buried Parish Churchyard of Larbert and whose death cert. gives parents as John Yorkston and Janet Kerr.

Vinci 

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Scotland / Re: 1851/1861/71/81 census look up please - Yorkstone
« on: Thursday 08 March 12 22:54 GMT (UK)  »
How can you be sure that these are the correct parents for Alexander Y who died in 1850? What evidence do you have?

asks Forfarian.....

The primary research was done by my first cousin at Register House in Edinburgh before the age of the internet. I have every confidence in the quality of what he passed on to me, but cannot quote chapter and verse without going back to him. I will see what he has to say.

Vinci

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Scotland / Re: 1851/1861/71/81 census look up please - Yorkstone
« on: Wednesday 07 March 12 15:55 GMT (UK)  »
I have Alexander Yorkston (B Larbert 23.5.1814 d. Larbert Jun 1850) married 23.4.1833 St. Cuthberts Leith to Catherine (Kitty) Fair  (or Phair), ( b 1808 Edinburgh Parish d Edinburgh 10.9.1887) 

They are my GG Grandparents on my mothers side.

Taking this line further back from Alexander Yorkston (1814-1850)

Alexander's parents were Alexander Yorkston (b. Falkirk 22.7.1785 d. Stenhousmuir 30.6.1857) and Ann Kincaid (b. Falkirk 21.9.1784-d before c 1857) They married 14.12.1802 at Denny Falkirk.

Alexander's grandparents on this line are John Yorkston (b Falkirk 1752) and Janet Kerr (b Airth, Stirling 1753) They married 18th June 1776 at Falkirk.

Alexander's great grandparents are Alexander Yorkston (b Cramond Edinburgh 11.11.1715- d ?) and Marion Hanna ( b Denny Falkirk 6.5.1716-d ?) They married 15th April 1746 at Falkirk.
(I have the original rather tatty marriage certificate)

Alexander's great great grandparents are Alexander Yorkston (c 1685 - ?) and Margaret Broun (c 1685-?) They married 17.3.1711 at Cramond Edinburgh.
   
I have quite a lot more on this Yorkston branch, including a photo (attached) of Catherine ( Kitty) Phair and other Yorkstons from an 1899 Photo album in my possession.


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Ross & Cromarty / Re: Mclennans of Killearnan
« on: Saturday 21 January 12 11:05 GMT (UK)  »
On my tree I have Colin's brother Donald McLennan ( 1765-?) born Killearnan and his parents Donald McLennan and Mary McKenzie but no further information on them.

I am confused by the age / birth dates for Colin as there is the birth of a Colin McLennan to Donald McLennan and Mary McKenzie on 14th January 1750 at Killearnan, but the age at death as shown by the monument referred to at does not tally with this birth date of 1750. 

In the garden he built a monument to his
brother, Roderick. Donald’s father, Colin, died in 1819 (aged 82 years) and their
mother (nee Isabella Kemp) in 1825 (aged 85 years). Donald himself died at
Dingwall in 1848 and a profile appeared in the Inverness Courier in 1851 after
the memorial was erected by his sisters.

So I am left wondering if there are two Colin McLennans

My descent is from Donald McLennan (c 1720 to ?) and wife Mary Mackenzie, their son Donald McLennan (c 18.3.1765 to ?) and his wife Mary Glass, their son Alexander McLennan (1802-1882) and spouse Ann McKenzie ( 1806-1875) and their son George McLennan (1851-1897) who married Mary Hardie (c 1853-1938) whose daughter Edith McLennan ( 1882-1969) is my maternal grandmother.

Richard

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