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Yorkshire (North Riding) / Re: Roecliffe Brick and Tile works - Moses Gough
« on: Sunday 27 July 25 17:31 BST (UK)  »
Hello, Graeme,

I have done some research in Roecliffe for & with a nephew whose photogragh standing beside the gravestone of his direct ancestor, Frederick William GOUGH (b. Thringstone 1824/ d. Roecliffe 1879) and his wife Frances, I took!  I also have a photo of the coping tile on one of the walls surrounding the school, on which "Moses Gough 1878" has been scratched.  I suspect you have a photograpgh of this too!

We did quite a bit of research there and visited the church (now decommisioned & redundant) & located the registers which were in the keeping of a former churchwarden!

If any of this is of interest to you I would happily share everything I have on this family & I suggest that this is best done on my Zoom account so that I can share screen to show you what I have.

Kind regards,

Malcolm [Bland]

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Canada Resources / Search for digitised copy of an application for a homestead, Saskatchewan, 1908
« on: Friday 01 November 24 23:41 GMT (UK)  »
Many years ago I had a digitised copy of an application for a homestead under the provisions of the “Dominions Land Act”, dated 13th July 1908 [and granted 6th August 1908] for Lionel Gilpin Bland.
I made a note of the details but I would love to know how find an image of the original.
Other information it contained included: Address, Pengarth.  Obtained entry for this homestead, 26th September 1904.  Took up residence 1st June 1905.  Built his house September 1906.  Resided June 1st 1905 to 1st November 1905 and from 30th June continuously to date of this application. 
This statement was sworn before the Local Agent for Dominion Lands for the Regina District at Pengarth on the 21st day November 1907.
Can anyone direct me to where I can find & download an image or, better still, supply a URL for it?
It was a Rootschat lady Donna Ducharme ("Duck Charm"), who obtained this for me back in about 2005 as part of Paul Etherington's 'April Challenge' when he randomly selected Lionel Gilpin Bland from the 1881 U.K. Census and asked RootsChatters to find out everything they could about him! I kept in touch with Donna for several years but, sadly, she died of Cancer in 2017.
Malcolm Bland

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Lancashire / Re: Cheetham County Gaol
« on: Thursday 22 December 22 13:19 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you all, that's brilliant!
Looking back at the certificate I realise, thanks to to you, the significance of the word order!  Now I understand the importance of the words "County Gaol" meaning Strangeways, and the separate word, "Cheetham" referring only to the registration district!  And that is why Googling "Cheetham County Gaol" produces no results... because no such place existed!  Sorry to have been so dense!
RootsChat experts come up with the solution yet again!
Thank you for your time & patience emeltom, heywood & Bookbox. :)

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Lancashire / Re: Cheetham County Gaol
« on: Tuesday 20 December 22 23:30 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you, emeltom, and I agree (and did that frst), but none of the several links to Strangeways mentions the County Gaol, Cheetham, even though other gaols, such as Salford County Jail and New Bailey Gaol, are mentioned. 
Strangeways, as I wrote above, opened in 1868 and my grandmother was born in 1870 and the birth certificate specifies "County Gaol, Cheetham".  Strangeways was named "Strangeways" (named for Stangeways Park), from the date of its opening so why would the Registrar name it "County Gaol, Cheetham"?  Unless I can find at least one primary source proving that Strangeways was also known as County Court, Cheetham, I cannot accept that they are one & the same gaol.

Thank you, heywood, and I had already found that too but again it mentions other gaols connected to Strangeway but not the County Gaol, Cheetham.  Having said that, the image I have of Elizabeth BERRY's commital to County Gaol, Cheetham, does mention the Bolton, Salford & Manchester Assizes but those assizes sent offenders to other prisons too.

If my grandmother was in Strangeways two years after it had opened I find it hard to believe that the Registrar of Births entered the prison through those impressive gates with the name clearly visible and  called it County Gaol, Cheetham.  That, in a nutshell is why I asked the question! 
And I really am very grateful to you both for looking at this for me.

Malcolm

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Lancashire / Cheetham County Gaol
« on: Tuesday 20 December 22 17:49 GMT (UK)  »
I have very recently found the birth certificate for my paternal grandmother, Alice BERRY, who was born on 7th May 1870 in County Gaol,Cheetham. 

However, I have had no luck in finding anything about this gaol. I know that Strangeways is situated on Cheetham Hill but research indicates that Strangeways, built in 1868, replaced New Bailey Gaol.  Furthermore, the only alternative names that I have found for Strangeways are Salford County Gaol and Manchester prison (its new name after the riots destroyed part of Strangeways).

Elzabeth BERRY was admitted to County Gaol,Cheethaml on 27th April 1870 for stealing two linen shirts and had been sentenced to two calendar month Hard Labour.  She gave birth to my grandmother Alice just ten days later and was released on 30th June 1870.  Alice BERRY's birth was registered in prison on 19th May 1870.
https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBPRS%2FMAN%2F4510373%2F00329.JOIN&parentid=GBPRS%2FA%2F62003265%2F1

Can anyone tell me anything about County Gaol,Cheetham  its whereabouts, history or photographs of the building?

Also, what will have happened to the baby? Would Alice have stayed in gaol with her mother? How would that work if her mother was doing "Hard Labour"?
In the 1881 census Elizabeth BERRY is shown with four children and Alice is named as Alice RAWLINSON (widow's child) and her father, Thomas RAWLINSON is lodging with her in Elizabeth BERRY's house in Worsley.  Thomas is definitely Alice's father, proved by DNA matches.

Any help or suggestions would be very gratefully received!

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Lancashire / Re: Salford Union Workhouse
« on: Thursday 08 December 22 23:40 GMT (UK)  »
"Journeyman" is an anglicised corruption of the French "Journee" man, that is, he is paid by the day.  This qualification is given to a skilled tradesman who has finished his apprenticeship but not yet become a Master Craftsman.  Each guild has a limited number of "Masters" so elevation to that state depends on a vacancy arising ("Dead Man's Shoes"), and the approval of the other "Masters" who will examine a special piece of work submitted by him to prove the quality of his work. This is referred to as his "Masterpiece".

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The Common Room / Re: Ancestry Subscription Discount
« on: Friday 25 November 22 12:59 GMT (UK)  »
Thank ypu. Phil,
It's reassuring to know that all is retained.  That's still important if applying for one of the occasional discounts, such as those in Black Friday fortnight!
I must be one of the last to benefit.  I got the £89.99 World subscription offer on 25th October and friends who attempted to access the offer within a week of my success stil have not been able to do so!
Malcolm

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The Common Room / Re: Ancestry Subscription Discount
« on: Friday 25 November 22 11:17 GMT (UK)  »
I am one of the lucky ones who used the link on 25th October 2022 and immediately got Ancestry Worldwide for £89.99.  However, several friends I know (and have successfully used the offer in previous years), have not been able to do this. 
One stumbling block seems to be the threat that if membership is cancelled ALL stored information, trees, DNA results/matches etc., will be lost.  I have a friend whose membership lapsed (but is still a registered guest), who dares not cancel everything because she does not wish to lose everything and have to start again.
I always cancel membership completely but when I rejoin with the half price offer all my records are still there!
1. Can I reassure my friend that she will not lose all her records?
2. Is there any new advice about getting this half price offer?

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Glamorganshire Lookup Requests / Re: Joseph ALFRED, Photographer, Cardiff, 1910
« on: Friday 04 February 22 13:39 GMT (UK)  »
Hi, Laura,

I have just returned to look at this thread and seen your post.  The reason that I have returned is because I was looking elsewhere for information about Joseph Alfred and this thread cropped up!  Joseph has a complicated history.  He was registered at birth as Joseph Allford, lived for many years as Joseph Bland and became Joseph Alfred shortly after 1900!  He was a carpenter, glassblower, hawker, riveter and, finally, a photographer. All this is carefully sourced and accurate.  It is even supported by recent DNA matches!

I have made no further discoveries but Joseph had many children and in the 1911 census four of them were working in Joseph's shop.  Of course, now that the 1921 census is available you would find where your ancestor worked, if still alive at 78 years old, but a quick glance shows only one Frederick Pike in Cardiff and he is only 1 year old.

If, by any chance you have scanned any of the photographs taken by my great grandfather and are willing to share them with me, I would be very grateful.  Cheeky, I know, but I thought that I would ask anyway!

Kind regards,

Malcolm [Bland]
blandtree at aol dot com

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