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Canada Lookup Request / Re: JACOBS William Gordon; b1831; St John, New Brunswick
« on: Monday 09 January 12 03:40 GMT (UK)  »
Do you have a copy of Jacqueline Oliver's book, "Isles of Chance - A Robinson-Clough Family History"?  I have attached the flyer, just in case you don't have it, or know someone else who might like a copy.  It's now permanently available from the printers, which is great.  It's the second edition which is the valuable one.

Cheers,
Marie

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Canada Lookup Request / Re: JACOBS William Gordon; b1831; St John, New Brunswick
« on: Monday 09 January 12 03:24 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks Mark. :D  A lot of my Clarkson information came from Janet, although I haven't heard from her in a long while. 

I so much love connecting with extended family members, and following the ancestry trails! ;D

Cheers,
Marie

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Canada Lookup Request / Re: JACOBS William Gordon; b1831; St John, New Brunswick
« on: Monday 09 January 12 02:13 GMT (UK)  »
At the point William Walter (Willie) Jacobs b: 1866 in Lyttelton, Christchurch, New Zealand Married: 1890 in Chatham Islands d: 10 July 1950 Father: William Gordon Jacobs Mother: Jessie, you get to be aligned with the Clarkson family as William Walter Jacobs had a sister Mary Matilda Jacobs who married my Grandfather James Mortimer Dudley Clarkson. They had 10 children.


Hi Mark,

Thanks for your response.  It's always great to hear from extended family members.   ;D

Mary was a full sister to Willie.  This makes us umpteenth cousins, lol.

I have sent you an invitation to see my tree in Ancestry.com.

Cheers,
Marie

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Just to make it a little easier for anyone who wants to help, here's some information from Marie's tree at Ancestry:

The death registration for William Gordon Jacobs indicates he was married first to M. Campbell in America c1854 at age 23 and second to M. Smith c1860 at age 29. His parents are listed as William and Ann Jacobs. He was in Lyttleton, New Zealand prior to moving to the Chatham Islands in Mar 1866. He married his third wife Jesse Seymour nee Martin in Oct 1866. The death registration says he was born in America. William was a carpenter as was his father.

Jacquie

P.S. Do you have copies of all of the articles from the "incident" in 1882? There are a bunch of them at Papers Past if you don't (http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz). It's quite fascinating.

LOL!  Yes, thanks, I have all of the newspaper stories from Papers Past.  I don't mind discussing it.  See below.  ;)

First, though, the names we have for William Gordon Jacobs' first two wives may or may not be correct.  I have not been shown any verification, and the source is unreliable.  It is definite, though, that he married twice before coming to New Zealand. Somehow, (nobody has shown me any evidence) we know that his first wife died - probably in child birth as she was very young.  He may well have still been married to his second wife when he came to New Zealand.  We have no evidence, and there are no family stories about this.  It is highly likely they were American women, according to family stories, and I have found a document which indicates (I think) his father moving the family to Maine after Hannah's (his mother's) death, when William Gordon would have been 6 years old.  His mother's name was Hannah Jacobs nee Olmsted.  :)

William Gordon Jacobs came to New Zealand as part of a ship's crew - ship's carpenter - and was based in Lyttelton as a builder, where he met and married the widow Jessie Seymour nee Martin and took over the role of father to her three sons to Seymour.  Their first (Jacobs) son was born before the marriage - my great grandfather William Walter Jacobs.  Shortly after William's birth in 1866, the family moved to the Chatham Islands.  William and Jessie married later that same year.

The Chatham Islands were/are a very isolated group of small islands in the Pacific, about 500 miles off the east coast of New Zealand. The story is that (my 2xgreat grandmother) Jessie had refused to have "relations" with her husband because her last child (of 10 children) was born with Downes Syndrome.  William (my 2xgreat grandfather) thought she must be having an affair.  They fought, and Jessie moved out to stay with a neighbour.  Another contributing factor was that Jessie's oldest Seymour son had run away with the young maori wife of one of William's close friends, and William and Jessie were bitterly divided over this.

William was a heavy drinker, and one night about three weeks after Jessie moved out, he was walking home from the pub, highly intoxicated, and passed the house where Jessie was staying.  He saw her through the window, talking to a man.  He thought this was her "lover", and shot her through the window with his rifle (or whatever it was that he was carrying at the time).  The bullet - thank goodness! - hit Jessie's corset and was diverted by the whalebone.  It passed through her breast and exited under her arm.  If she hadn't been wearing her corset she would have been shot through the heart.  The man she had been talking to was another Seymour son, fiance and later husband to the daughter of the family Jessie was staying with at the time.   

The outcome of the trial was that WGJ was jailed in Christchurch, New Zealand, for 8 years.  He died in Whangarei in the North Island of New Zealand some years later - I don't think he ever returned to the Chathams.  Before this incident he had been one of the most highly respected men on the Chathams, and was in fact a very early settler there.  He moved his family there when most of the population were Maori.  I think there were only about 100 - 150 Europeans there at the time, amongst a population of hundreds of Maori. 

One of my dearest wishes is to trace the early life of William Gordon Jacobs; to find the two women he married before coming to New Zealand; to find his military record - if indeed he did fight in the civil war; and to find the ship he travelled on to New Zealand, and the date. 

The other strongly held wish is to connect him to the family I am sure is his, via some form of documentation, and to track the birth place/country and life of his father, William Jacobs.

There is prolific information about the Olmsted family, and I have Hannah's ancestry and family history all the way back to Essex and her ancestor Richard Olmsted in the 1600s, and even further back than that.

Thanks for your attention everyone.  William Gordon Jacobs' story is indeed a fascinating one, which spans several countries - as I am sure do millions of other stories.  ;D

Marie


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Thank you so much Jacquie - I really appreciate your input! 

My William Gordon Jacobs lost an eye, and we have been told he lost it fighting in the civil war.  It seems like an impossible mission trying to track him through the records.  :(

Marie

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Hmmm...you are very lucky to have this marriage recorded in the newspapers! I've been searching for years for some of mine in the NB archives :P :)

There are in fact 10 pages of Olmstead references, here:

http://archives.gnb.ca/APPS/NewspaperVitalStats/NameIndexResults.aspx?culture=en-CA&name=7OO0tayqXvG5hBgMRBasbmQKr7sfFpo/rY0t93PwN5w=

DON'T use the back button though...if you want to go back, use the "previous" arrow on the page...it's kind of an unusual page setup.

Cheers,
China

Thanks very much for this link.  There were, and are, a lot of Olmsteds!

Marie

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First things first... New Brunswick was NEVER part of the United States. Canadian confederation didn't occur until 1867 so prior to that New Brunswick was a British colony.

There was no statutory registration at that time. You might want to try checking out this thread on New Brunswick resources in the Canada Resources section of RootsChat:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,219737.0.html

The Daniel F Johnson's New Brunswick Newspaper Vital Statistics at that New Brunswick Archives website has the following entries:

Marriage of William Jacobs and Hannah Olmstead in 1811:
http://archives.gnb.ca/APPS/NewspaperVitalStats/Details.aspx?culture=en-CA&guid=f141e29e-3b28-4e6e-838d-0de79e6ab75d&r=1&ni=147733

and the death of Hannah:
http://archives.gnb.ca/APPS/NewspaperVitalStats/Details.aspx?culture=en-CA&guid=6422782f-dfbe-4948-abb3-852654edd5d9&r=1&ni=147733

By the way, I saw your family tree at Ancestry. You have Civil War information for a William Jacobs which you were uncertain whether he was yours or not - it looks like that William was killed during the Civil War as there is a pension application submitted by his widow - both documents reference the same regiment - 26th Maine Infantry.

Jacquie

My apologies, Jacquie, for not replying sooner. 

I had already gone through all of the links you suggested, and have the marriage and death notices.  I was hoping I might have missed something, lol.   :)

With regards to the pension application by William Jacobs' wife - was that in the military records at Ancestry.com?  If it is I obviously missed it.  The record I have says he mustered out, but he could well have died later from wounds.  I was amazed at how many men named William Jacobs there were in the registries!  Most of them did not have middle names or initials listed, which makes it very hard to know which is the right person.

Thanks for your reply, it is much appreciated.

Marie

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Canada Lookup Request / JACOBS William Gordon; b1831; St John, New Brunswick
« on: Friday 13 May 11 04:31 BST (UK)  »
 Is anyone able to direct me to the right place to find proof of birth for the following please:

William Gordon JACOBS, born in St John, New Brunswick, c1831 (my 2xgreat grandfather)
It is unclear whether he was given a middle name at birth, or whether he added it later.
It is currently believed that his parents were William JACOBS and Hannah nee OLMSTED
I am looking for evidence to connect these parents (or not) to this son. 

I have all of the OLMSTED history back to the 1400s, but have no information on William JACOBS senior - whether he was born in New Brunswick, Canada, United States or further afield.

I am not sure where to begin to find a Canadian birth for 1831 - I am not sure whether in fact New Brunswick was a part of Canada at that point, or whether it was still considered a part of the United States.

I am in New Zealand, on a very limited income, so am finding this piece of my research particularly difficult.  Still and all - God Bless the internet! :D

Thanks everyone,
Marie Kirkwood nee Jacobs

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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Re: Street names Thornton Bradford
« on: Thursday 05 May 11 04:45 BST (UK)  »
Hello Marie. Have just returned to Rootschat after moving to NZ.

The John Rit Dobson you refer to was my g-grandfather (see my post 10 Nov 10.  While he and some of his brothers were born in Hosforth (IGI ref).  Johnny boy has that pretty right. They were from Thornton and had returned there by 1822 at least as John was inducted into the army (51st Foot) then.  He had sisters Mercy and Maria and I think some more brothers born in Thornton.  A photo of a grave stone earlier in this thread appears to be Gilbert's (John's father) and 1841 Census shows him living there.

Great to hear from you.  Thanks for replying.  ;D

I have sent you a private message with more details.

Cheers,
Marie

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