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"...... if you want to look up his death-certificate, it's not in the parish of Elie, but in Earlsferry, parish of Kilconquhar. Although Elie and Earlsferry are physically joined up and to all intents and purposes one town, historically they are in different parishes.

......but his death-certificate gives him as "Seaman (Merchant Service)", and when his wife died in 1873 she was described as married to John BROWN, Seaman (Merchant Service).

Jane died on May 24th 1879, and her death was registered by her son Philip BROWN

John BROWN died on June 8th 1883, and his death was registered by his daughter Jane BROWN, "present", who gave his parents as William BROWN, fisherman, and Helen SCOTT.

Harry

Hello Everyone, 

May I ask - where are you looking up death certificate information?  Is it freely available online somewhere?


Boardies

Hi there,   

A couple of things:

1)  William, Thomas and Philip and their Australian connection.
     
      William - born on 3/12/1827 at Kilconquhar.  Funny how he isn't in the census for 1841 or 1851 and yet he is on that gravestone.   Haven't found him in Australia yet.
      Thomas - born on 22/11/1835 at Kilconquhar.  We have him in the 1851 census, but I know he was married in Victoria, Australia in 1858, so he travelled to Australia sometime between 1851 and 1858.  He died in Melbourne, Australia on 22/10/1880.
      Philip - born 5/11/1838 at Kilconquhar.  We know that he registered his mother Jane's death in 1879 (probably because both William and Thomas were in Australia), in 1881 living in Edinburgh, and he travelled to Australia in 1883 (the year of his father's death, which might explain why Jane registered her father's death as the 3 boys had travelled to Australia). Philip died in Perth, Western Australia on 22/3/1919 (the same year as Jane's death).

     Is their a web site that lists Scottish emigrants to Australia in the 1800's?

2) 

Have you ever investigated your CORNFOOT ancestry?

     Not yet.  Interesting story about the witches.  What I do have is Mary CORNFOOT born 10/7/1839 at Williamsburgh, Fifeshire with possible siblings Elizabeth, James and Isabella.  Parents were James CORNFOOT (b. 13/5/1796) and Elizabeth SUNTER (b. abt 1800) and married on 1/12/1820, and this matches with the post #16 relating to the SUNTER's.   I have James CORNFOOT's parents as William CORNFOOT and Elizabeth BROWN.

3)

Philip gave his mother's parents as William BROWN, farm-servant, and Betsy ADAMSON.

John BROWN died on June 8th 1883, and his death was registered by his daughter Jane BROWN, "present", who gave his parents as William BROWN, fisherman, and Helen SCOTT.

Hi Boardies  I think we should go with the parents that Jane Brown gave, its said that women know best.

Isn't the information:
    John BROWN's parents were William BROWN and Helen SCOTT (as supplied by Jane when her father died), and
    Jane BROWN's parents were William BROWN and Betsy (Elizabeth?) ADAMSON (as supplied by Philip when his mother died).

    Can't they both be correct?


Boardies

Okay - agreed - the service is fabulous. 

From 1841 we had:
    John (F)  age 35 b. 1805/06
    Jean (M) age 30 b.  1810/11
    John       age 10 b.  1830/31
    Elizabeth age 8  b.  1832/33
    Philip       age 3  b.  1837/38
    Jean        age 1  b.  1839/1840
From 1851 we can add
    James
    David
    John

Then the grave inscription we have:
    John (d. 1889)
    Jane (d. 1875, age 74)  which implies b. 1800/1801
    John (drowned at sea)
    Thomas (died Melbourne) age 45
    William and Philip (died in Australia)
    Jane (d. 1918, age 78)  which implies b. 1839/1840

Is it the same family from the 1841 and 1851 census previously found?  There is some commonality, but not everything matches up.  Jean/Jane?

The Philip in Australia is VERY interesting, but I didn't know about a William in Australia, and as I mentioned in an earlier post perhaps a Thomas.

Boardies

Hi Carole,

I've had a suggestion previously that there may have been a sibling, Thomas.  Is he in the 1851 census?  He would have been born before Philip (about 3 yrs earlier).  I know he isn't on the 1841 census but wondered if he was on the 1851??


Boardies