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Staffordshire / Re: Penkhull - Brameld
« on: Wednesday 01 January 25 12:24 GMT (UK) »
I'd guess that is the correct person for Henry's father, thanks. I've seen Brameld spelt lots of different ways, which has made it difficult.
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Staffordshire / Re: Penkhull - Brameld
« on: Friday 06 December 24 15:40 GMT (UK) »
My own theory is that John (with 3 wives) had a son called George.
George had many children with two different wives, both named Mary (Crooks and Agney/Hackney). Two of his children were John and Thomas, both of which I think may have gone to Penkhull/Stoke.
There's definitely evidence of John in 1841 and birth/baptism records at Hanley in the non-conformist records. His wife also shows as being born in Newhill on the 1851 census (a couple of miles from Rawmarsh).
I can't seem to find much of Thomas at all in Staffordshire, I'm only going off Henry's named birthplace.
Abraham and Mary, whilst stated as aunt and uncle, are in the same generation as Henry's grandfather George
George had many children with two different wives, both named Mary (Crooks and Agney/Hackney). Two of his children were John and Thomas, both of which I think may have gone to Penkhull/Stoke.
There's definitely evidence of John in 1841 and birth/baptism records at Hanley in the non-conformist records. His wife also shows as being born in Newhill on the 1851 census (a couple of miles from Rawmarsh).
I can't seem to find much of Thomas at all in Staffordshire, I'm only going off Henry's named birthplace.
Abraham and Mary, whilst stated as aunt and uncle, are in the same generation as Henry's grandfather George
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Staffordshire / Re: Penkhull - Brameld
« on: Friday 06 December 24 01:26 GMT (UK) »I've seen that record and the father's name and occupation fit what I'd be looking for.
It's the consistent stating of Penkhull / Stoke / Staffs on the census that was putting me off to start with.
On top of that, I think I found a census record for the Henry Bramah you've noted above, in Rotherham at the same time as my Henry was in Rawmarsh (might have been 1841, but I'd have to double check)
Yes, just checked......
I think Henry Bramah baptised in Rotherham was living on Bridgegate, Rotherham as an apprentice shoemaker in 1841. In 1851, he is living in Sheffield, still with the spelling 'Bramah'. I'm only going on the spelling of the name and the location being the one in the baptism to Thomas, rather than the one I'm looking for.
The one I believe is linked to me, in 1841 is living with Uncle & Aunt, Abraham and Mary in Rawmarsh, concidentally an apprentice shoemaker (through other research, I think I know who those two are). In 1851, he is still is Rawmarsh as the head of the house, but with 'Aunt' Mary living with him.
There is a third Henry Brameld born very close date wise in Wath Upon Dearne (close to Rawmarsh), but I've traced him away from the area with a different occupation
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Staffordshire / Re: Penkhull - Brameld
« on: Friday 06 December 24 01:03 GMT (UK) »
I've seen that record and the father's name and occupation fit what I'd be looking for.
It's the consistent stating of Penkhull / Stoke / Staffs on the census that was putting me off to start with.
On top of that, I think I found a census record for the Henry Bramah you've noted above, in Rotherham at the same time as my Henry was in Rawmarsh (might have been 1841, but I'd have to double check)
It's the consistent stating of Penkhull / Stoke / Staffs on the census that was putting me off to start with.
On top of that, I think I found a census record for the Henry Bramah you've noted above, in Rotherham at the same time as my Henry was in Rawmarsh (might have been 1841, but I'd have to double check)
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Staffordshire / Penkhull - Brameld
« on: Thursday 05 December 24 23:17 GMT (UK) »
Hi everyone,
I'm writing this message in the hope that it fills a hole in my family research, as so far, I'm drawing a blank with one of my ancestors.
I have a direct relative on my mother's side called Henry Brameld (though his surname has been mis-spelt as Brammer, Bramall, Bramah, Bramald, etc). In 1841 he was living in Rawmarsh, South Yorkshire as a young apprenctice shoemaker and continued to live there for the rest of his life. His marriage, death and census records place his birth around 1822 or 1823.
One thing that is consistent throughout the census records, is that his birthplace is given as Penkhull, Staffordshire (again, with some spelling differences). I cannot however, find a birth record for him. His marriage certificate gives his father's name as Thomas, a cordwainer, but no mother's name given.
Through my research I believe that his father (and potentially one of his brothers), were born in Rawmarsh, Rotherham and then moved to Staffordshire, which is why Henry returned to the Rotherham area after his birth. Also through that research, I found that some of his family were appearing on non-conformist records, which may be a reason why I am struggling to find Henry's birth.
For that time period of 1822/23, no records seem to come up for Penkhull itself, so I'm guessing the records of births there would appear elsewhere, somewhere nearby maybe?
One record I found of note that I think is linked, is a 1841 census record for a John and Sarah Bramall living in Hanley, Stoke on Trent. I believe John may be the brother of Thomas, Henry's father, based on his birth year and the fact that his wife Sarah was born very close to Rawmarsh, Rotherham.
If I can find Henry's birth, I may also be able to find his mother's name and potentially siblings that may have stayed in Staffordshire or also moved back to South Yorkshire.
Any help with records / information would be greatly appreciated. All I have access to at the moment, is what is on the major family tree sites.
I'm writing this message in the hope that it fills a hole in my family research, as so far, I'm drawing a blank with one of my ancestors.
I have a direct relative on my mother's side called Henry Brameld (though his surname has been mis-spelt as Brammer, Bramall, Bramah, Bramald, etc). In 1841 he was living in Rawmarsh, South Yorkshire as a young apprenctice shoemaker and continued to live there for the rest of his life. His marriage, death and census records place his birth around 1822 or 1823.
One thing that is consistent throughout the census records, is that his birthplace is given as Penkhull, Staffordshire (again, with some spelling differences). I cannot however, find a birth record for him. His marriage certificate gives his father's name as Thomas, a cordwainer, but no mother's name given.
Through my research I believe that his father (and potentially one of his brothers), were born in Rawmarsh, Rotherham and then moved to Staffordshire, which is why Henry returned to the Rotherham area after his birth. Also through that research, I found that some of his family were appearing on non-conformist records, which may be a reason why I am struggling to find Henry's birth.
For that time period of 1822/23, no records seem to come up for Penkhull itself, so I'm guessing the records of births there would appear elsewhere, somewhere nearby maybe?
One record I found of note that I think is linked, is a 1841 census record for a John and Sarah Bramall living in Hanley, Stoke on Trent. I believe John may be the brother of Thomas, Henry's father, based on his birth year and the fact that his wife Sarah was born very close to Rawmarsh, Rotherham.
If I can find Henry's birth, I may also be able to find his mother's name and potentially siblings that may have stayed in Staffordshire or also moved back to South Yorkshire.
Any help with records / information would be greatly appreciated. All I have access to at the moment, is what is on the major family tree sites.
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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Re: Brameld Family - South Yorkshire
« on: Saturday 21 October 23 18:11 BST (UK) »
Thanks. The surname spelling is definitely causing me issues. I have Mother and Father having 7 kids with 5 different spellings on the name, and not even just by a letter e.g. Bramald vs Bramhall
I'll see if I can find a link with the info I have
I'll see if I can find a link with the info I have
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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Re: Brameld Family - South Yorkshire
« on: Saturday 21 October 23 08:14 BST (UK) »
That Thomas who married Jane is part of the family that owned Rockingham Pottery. His brother John Wager Brameld also had children in London, Chelsea.
Thomas did have a son called Henry Edward Brameld in 1819, so close to the date I'm looking for, but that one became a physician and moved north.
Again, it just feels like they are linked. The name Henry didn't appear from early 1700 right through to the 1800's, then there were two in 1818 and 1823
The newspapers might be a good suggestion. My own line comes from the George Dodson and Sarah Brameld marriage
Thomas did have a son called Henry Edward Brameld in 1819, so close to the date I'm looking for, but that one became a physician and moved north.
Again, it just feels like they are linked. The name Henry didn't appear from early 1700 right through to the 1800's, then there were two in 1818 and 1823
The newspapers might be a good suggestion. My own line comes from the George Dodson and Sarah Brameld marriage
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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Re: Brameld Family - South Yorkshire
« on: Friday 20 October 23 15:33 BST (UK) »
Just this second had the email to say they've got it 
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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Re: Brameld Family - South Yorkshire
« on: Friday 20 October 23 14:45 BST (UK) »
It still has the tracking to what stage it is at. It's been 2 weeks and it's still not showing as received. My wife sent one to myheritage in America and they've already booked that one in