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The Common Room / Re: Fornication and baptism
« on: Friday 01 April 11 06:51 BST (UK)  »
I had an ancestor who had thirteen chidren - they only got married the year before the mother died.  many prople in the remote areas of aus didn't have anyone to marry them before the babies started arriving - the parents would get married and then baptise the children on the same day!   A convict forfather was denied permission to marry as punishment for fornicating two children into existence so he had a third to prove the point. So there is nothing new under the Southern Cross!

Convictlass

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Australia / Help needed
« on: Friday 01 April 11 02:25 BST (UK)  »
Hi Rootschatters, 

I am in a bit of a muddle.  Just spoke to someone who clarified one area but left another branch of my tree in ruins.  So here is the problem:

Jane HARFORD (b, 1859 in Melbourne?) married a Thomas William RICHARDS (b. about 1849) in Adelong NSW, 14th September 1875.  I had thought his parents were William RICHARDS and Elizabeth HIGGINS, but apparently not. They had a son Thomas and another son William, but not one that combined both names.
 I have a transcript of the Harford/Richards wedding cert, which is no use at all.  It says that TWR was an ironmonger and lists his usual residence as Daylesford, Victoria (?) while Jane’s residence is Adelong NSW. Mum believes that Jane was born in Melbourne and Mum knew Jane, who died when she was about six.
 I have spoken to some people in Adelong who have newspaper articles about Jesse HARFORD, who is listed as a witness at Jane’s wedding – he may be her father.  The other witness is Emma Hoskin – I can’t find anything about her.

Can anyone suggest where I should look now?  I am still a learner so please list any websites with addresses, please. I have done so much work on this line and now the foundation has crumbled :'( :'( :'(.  Any help would be very muchly appreciated...

Convictlass

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The Common Room / Re: What Country is your research ?
« on: Friday 01 April 11 02:11 BST (UK)  »
Hi Rootschatters,

Most of my research is Australian Colonial, but before that quite a number came from London, Sussex and Kent.  I've got at least one Scot and a few Irish thrown in for good luck.  So I guess I'm a mixed breed...

Convictlass

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The Common Room / Re: Keep researching those side lines!
« on: Friday 18 March 11 20:51 GMT (UK)  »
I found a distant connection between my mother and my father by researching sidelines!  :o  You never know what you'll find.

Convictlass

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The Common Room / Re: Keep researching those side lines!
« on: Friday 18 March 11 01:04 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Coombs, I agree, most of the stuff on ancestry is sooo wrong >:( .  As a  newby, I believed everything they put up and I took my family tree back to Charlemagne (like, 10th century!)  It was a heap of rubbish and I had to delete about a third of my tree.  There was one parent who was a hundred years younger than her children, generations were mixed up, children added to the wrong family, alleged marriages never happened etc.  I am a lot more careful now, checking all the way with sites like Family Search and various BMD's, government records etc.  Some ancestry suggestions can give a starting point, even if they prove wrong, they cross out that possibilty... That's the fun of researching a family tree!
Here's an Irish one for ye! Got into Irish BMD's looking for a birth, yes it was a birth index - put in the name and all I got was four marriages!  maybe that's the hint - marriage comes before birth!
Happy hunting
Annette

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The Common Room / Re: Keep researching those side lines!
« on: Thursday 17 March 11 20:45 GMT (UK)  »
Great story Igor

I havent particularly gone down side lines alot as I have not had the time.
One thing I did find on my line was they all lived very near each other and I was born in the same area so I knew where the streets were.  It would appear to me in my families case that it was the boy or girl next door syndrome more than the fact they were related.
I dont think we have that kind of idea about marriage nowadays as they did in the 1800/1900's.  In those days there was no social security or handouts, you married a man who went to work and the wife stayed at home and did look after the children and probably both sets of parents as well if they were ill.
I am always surprised how quickly the men who are widowers get married again so quickly when they have children.  If they didnt have anyone to look after the children, they couldnt work and everyone would starve, so need was the necessity in those days.
Very interesting and I love everyday I am researching my ancestors or helping others to see how those people lived and survived in very hard circumstances. Its a great thing to read about and I am so pleased 4 years ago I decided to start doing my family tree.  One of the best things I have ever done.
regards
Sandymc

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Australia / Re: Look-Up Please Henry PAYNE Immigration
« on: Wednesday 16 March 11 11:49 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks so much to all who replied to this question that really had me stumped, I never expected to get such quick responses and yes after weeks of searching I believe I have found him and his family. Everyone who responded gave me a little more of the picture until it finally fell into place.  And each chase is a learning experience, so maybe one day I'll be able to pay back your help by helping some other newcomer.  BTW I am a decent photographer so if anyone wants photos of historical sites, graves etc around Sydney let me know...

Convictlass

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Australia / Re: Look-Up Please Henry PAYNE Immigration
« on: Wednesday 16 March 11 08:49 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you  :-* to all those who replied so quickly - it will give me some work to over the next few days looking in places I would never have considered.  Henry  had me baffled because I couldn't find him, but I didn't think of looking at our friends across the Tasman, or realize that passengers in steerage would not be named! I am still fairly new at this caper but with help like yours I can learn so much more.

Thanks again
Convictlass

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Australia / Look-Up Please Henry PAYNE Immigration
« on: Wednesday 16 March 11 07:14 GMT (UK)  »
 :)  Maybe born in Sussex, 1827, baptised in Burwash, parents William and Elizabeth, I think, then marries Sarah AVARD in Australia in 1853.  That much is definate. He died in 1882, buried at Tarro NSW, where a cemetary inscription gives his age at death and names his wife as Sarah. His record of death also names his parents as William and Elizabeth.  I have ordered a full transcript of his death certificate, which I have been told will give his length of time in Australia. No record of Henry being born in NSW.  No convict record fits these dates.  No immigration record found for him or father William. Can anyone help? Could he have been born in another Australian state?

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