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Dorset / Re: Toms/Roose Treasure Hunt..Cornwall/Dorset
« on: Wednesday 23 March 11 08:49 GMT (UK)  »
we are still following up some things regarding john henry through the military sites and he was marked as deceased by williams marriage in 1938(electric tram car driver)

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Dorset / Re: Toms/Roose Treasure Hunt..Cornwall/Dorset
« on: Tuesday 22 March 11 19:36 GMT (UK)  »
all we know of him is that he is stated as  the father of  william john roose-nolan on the birth cert,he was a sgt in the 2nd oxfordshire btln (based in portland) there is a john henry nolan in the medal records but we are not sure if  it is him(with help from the ox&bucks museum),oh,and he is also stated to be a tram driver(maybe opens new search possibilities?) other than that we have nothing.

i have found a  phylis ruby roose (liskeard  5c  52).and a phylis mary roose(liskeard  5c 50)

now,the mother of of winifred l george and edward g george also had another daughter called phyllis may george(mmn toms) in totnes 1918 (totnes 5b 209), she died in fylde 1921(which ties in),remember,up until a few days ago we did not know that winifred and edward were born as roose at all.

i think i need to call in dan brown.

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Dorset / Re: Toms/Roose Treasure Hunt..Cornwall/Dorset
« on: Tuesday 22 March 11 16:23 GMT (UK)  »
yes.john henry roose-nolan.

is the phillipa toms from the 1908 marriage to alfred roose and the phyllis roose-nolan(nee toms) from the 1918 marriage to edward john george the same lady?.i doubt that,but i cant find a marriage to a roose-nolan anywhere,but they may have been related in some way.

I do believe that the phillipa toms from the 1908 marriage is the same phillipa roose from the 1925 marriage,so,is the edward john george from the 1918 marriage the same man in the 1925 marriage, it would tie up all of the childrens names.......except for the nolan name,now,as william was born at home could they have just said the mothers surname was the same as the fathers and thats where i am getting confused.

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Dorset / Re: Toms/Roose Treasure Hunt..Cornwall/Dorset
« on: Tuesday 22 March 11 14:43 GMT (UK)  »
so this other marriage (1918)is not the same person? that would explain some things,so,the family have it wrong and we should be following the phyllis r nolan from 1918 as she is obviously john henrys mother,but....she is formerly a toms according to the birth cert

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Dorset / Re: Toms/Roose Treasure Hunt..Cornwall/Dorset
« on: Tuesday 22 March 11 12:53 GMT (UK)  »
nanny jan, we can find no trace of a marriage to john henry roose-nolan, i think that their may be two different p.toms here somewhere.

The only time we see the roose-nolan bond is in 1916 when william is born in bere regis.

If kgerrad  is correct then william john roose-nolan and phyllis m george(Mmn toms.totnes 1918) are missing

Mabe  william was adopted from alfreds side of the family?

And phyillis m george was adopted from her second husbands family,and that is why she has the surname george?

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Dorset / Re: Toms/Roose Treasure Hunt..Cornwall/Dorset
« on: Tuesday 22 March 11 12:28 GMT (UK)  »
we have the marriage between alfred and philippa,but we dont know if it is the same lady.

the problem is that we have a wedding in 1918 to edward john george(from the toms/george family tree),now,the family story is that this was her second marriage(john henry roose-nolan being the first before 1916)if this is correct why would she use the name phyllis r.nolan to marry edward john george in 1918?
If it is correct that her first marriage was to alfred roose

Then too further complicate things we have the last 2 children being named george-roose (1921.1923 fylde)then a final marriage in 1925 between phillipa roose and edward john george in fylde

Just re-read your post above,now, my father (john henry roose-nolans grandson)says that he was told by his father (william john r nolan) that he had 3 older sisters, but they had all gone to live with other family members and he never found them again,which does seem to tie in with what you have found,but where does john henry-roose-nolan fit in to that tree?..and where did the nolan bit come from?
 

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Dorset / Re: Toms/Roose Treasure Hunt..Cornwall/Dorset
« on: Tuesday 22 March 11 11:21 GMT (UK)  »
am trying to track the roose name from 1911 to see if i can tie any of the names up,but am only getting a list of roose from liskeard,can any-one break them into family groups?

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Dorset / Toms/Roose Treasure Hunt..Cornwall/Dorset
« on: Tuesday 22 March 11 11:17 GMT (UK)  »
Hello all,after spending so much time trying to sort out my family line i have decided to throw it open to the experts due to my work at the moment in the hope that some light may be shed on the family tree.






Philippa lizzie toms born Looe 1888

we are told she married a john henry (roose-)nolan sometime before 1916(we can find no trace)

a william john roose-nolan born bere regis 1916(but birth cert names mother as phyllis roose nolan formerly toms, the toms descendants say this is the same lady)
we are then told that john henry died in the war around 1916(more on this later)

we are then told she married an edward john george in 1918,we can only find one that matches but the brides name was phyllis r nolan.

thay had a daughter in 1918,phyllis m george (mothers maiden name  toms) but she was born in totnes.
then we know they moved to fleetwood where their daughter died aged 2 (1921)
we know they had another 2 children
winifred l george 1921 fleetwood
edward g george 1923 fleetwood

but,their names are actually recorded as winifred l g roose  and  edward g g roose,which is something we did not know until now.
Then we find a wedding in fleetwood between an edward john george and a phillipa toms in 1925!!

Now i know i have to allow for coincidences but this all seems to tie up.

The man john henry nolan did not die during the war and we are waiting for the dorset museum to get back to us on his army record(2nd oxford&bucks btn)

does this make any sense to any-one,(i know what i think)

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Philippa lizzie toms born liskeard 1888

we are told she married a john henry (roose-)nolan sometime before 1916

a william john roose-nolan born bere regis 1916
we are then told that john henry died in the war around 1916(more on this later)

we are then told she married an edward john george in 1918,we can only find one that matches but the brides name was phyllis r nolan.

thay had a daughter in 1918,phyllis m george (toms) but she was born in totnes.
then we know they moved to fleetwood where their daughter died aged 2 (1921)
we know they had another 2 children
winifred l george 1921 fleetwood
edward g george 1923 fleetwood

but,their names are actually recorded as winifred l g roose  and  edward g g roose,which is something we did not know until now.
Then we find a wedding in fleetwood between an edward john george and a phillipa toms in 1925!!

Now i know i have to allow for coincidences but this all seems to tie up.

The man john henry nolan did not die during the war and we are waiting for the oxford museum to get back to us on his army record(2nd oxford&bucks btn)

does this make any sense to any-one,(i know what i think)

many thanks.
k.nolan   

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