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Oh my goodness!

Can I marry you?  LOL.

Time for bed now after a long day spent well with my family, hence the late night posts that keep me awake at night knowing I have this puzzle not solved.

Talk soon Dave x




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Dear Sue and Jerry, and everyone else who has contributed,

I wanted to check back in and provide an update on my search. Before I go any further, I want to send my most heartfelt thanks to all of you who have helped me so far. In particular, Sue and Jerry, I want to acknowledge your previous help and the links for shipping records and suggestions you provided. I realise now there were several details I needed to process and be reminded about before sending this post, and I am so grateful for your patience and for pointing me in the right direction.

What I’ve done so far:
Based on the clues found here, I have officially ordered the birth and death certificates for Wilhelm. I am doing this with the understanding that these Queensland records may not be 100% accurate. I know that certificates from this era are only as reliable as the informant’s knowledge—especially for immigrants whose families may not have known the exact German village of origin. I’m also mindful of potential anglicisation or misspellings of our surname by officials at the time.
Additionally, I have put in a request with our state archives for Fredolin’s application for naturalisation. I am hopeful this document might explicitly name the ship he arrived on, which would be a massive breakthrough for the family tree.

What I’m planning next:
I haven’t emailed the German archives as yet, but I will be contacting the German Federal Archives (Bundesarchiv) and the Arolsen Archives soon. I want to ensure I’ve left no stone unturned in the old country, specifically looking for parish records or exit papers that might match the voyage of the Armin (often transcribed as the Army, Armen, or Harmein).

Information I’ve gathered regarding Carl’s birth:
The Ship and Voyage: I am focusing on the Armin (Master: Capt. Sommer), which arrived in Port Jackson in November 1858 but was still in port through Jan/Feb 1859. I’ve learned there were 10 births on board during that voyage.
I have never been able to find a birth certificate for my great-grandfather Carl, but I am now wondering if he was actually born in early 1859 while the family was in isolation. Because of a reported case of smallpox on board, the passengers were moved to the North Head Quarantine Station at Spring Cove.

I now understand they were kept in a "liminal state" in barracks and tents, segregated between the Healthy Ground and Sick Ground. This explains why I haven't found a standard birth record; if he was born there in Jan/Feb 1859, his record would likely be in the Marine Registers (M-prefix) rather than the standard civil registration, or perhaps listed simply as "Quarantine Station." This theory finally makes sense of the 1859 date in our family records!

I am feeling so much more hopeful now. This community is amazing, and I truly appreciate the time you took to help me find these vital pieces of my family puzzle. I’ll be sure to update you all again once the certificates and naturalisation papers arrive!

With much gratitude and appreciation,
Leisa




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Subject: A daughter’s 15-year search: Finding the Armin for my Dad in Heaven

Hi everyone,

I am writing this with a very humble heart and tears in my eyes. I have been a part of this community for a long time, and so many of you have been so kind to me. I want to sincerely apologize for my recent posts about the Fanny Kirchner. I was holding onto that name because I so desperately wanted to find the answer for my family, but I am setting that aside now. I am starting fresh, led by my heart, my research, and a promise I made to my father.

My dear Dad passed away four years ago. Before he left us, I spent years making sure our ancestors were recognized as original settlers with Picture Ipswich, fulfilling a deep wish of his. I will never regret a single second of that time, because seeing the look of pride on my Dad’s face when I told him they were finally honored is a memory I will carry forever. Now, I pray to him every day, and to my grandparents and great-grandparents, asking them to give me a sign—to lead me to the truth.

The Story I Need to Find:
My great-grandfather, Carl Frederick Schmeider, was born at the very beginning of our Australian story. Our family history tells us he was born in Botany Bay/Port Jackson while the family’s ship was held in a desperate quarantine due to a smallpox outbreak.
I am now focusing everything on the ship Armin (or Arnim). I have discovered a major clue: while some shipping lists only note two passengers, the official 1859 Health Officer’s Report for Port Jackson proves there were actually 292 passengers on board. Because of the smallpox, they were held at the Quarantine Station and weren't officially cleared to land until February 1859. This matches my great-grandfather Carl’s birth and every word my father ever told me.

The Brick Wall and My Plea:
I have reached out to the Museums of History NSW, but they could not find my family in their digital lists. Because Fredolin arrived under a special German labor scheme, their names were left off the standard records, and the original German manifests were destroyed in the WWII bombings. It feels like they were almost erased from history, but I know they were there.
I know they eventually found peace at Portions 11 and 14, Parish of Goolman, near Peak Mountain. Fredolin built our legacy at Hillside and Schmeider’s Lagoon, but the ship that carried them to those shores is the final piece I need to find for my Dad.

Is there anyone out there who knows something—anything—that can help me? Is there a diary, a local record from February 1859, or a quarantine list that names those 290 missing souls? I have tried for 15 years. I just want to look up at my Dad in heaven and tell him I finally found it. I want to tell the truth of the Schmeider name.

Please, if you have any information on the Armin, or the other 1859 ships like the Main or the Wandram, reach out to me. I am doing this for the love of my Dad and the history of my family.

Thank you for your kindness and for helping me find the start of our story.




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Ha Ha.

To think I was upset with the green emojis only to find that I replied with a similar emoji years ago. 

Obviously, green emojis are used on Roots Chat.

Please accept my deepest apologies.  I feel like a fool all in the love of my family. 

Leisa x

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Thank you Sue,

I appreciate your kindness and understanding.

I have also been searching for ships arriving in Australia during this period through the Trove newspapers that were quarantined for small pox.

I read an article that quoted that often the shipping records were kept from the last port that was departed from.  In other words, if my family left from Bremen or Hamburg and stopped at the Cape of Good Hope in Africa, the records would reflect their departure there. 

Sadly, not many shipping records during this time that arrived in Sydney, then departed to Melbourne, the number of immigrants are listed, but not all of their names.

Yes, it is very sad when family history and stories passed down does not correlate with the records and newspaper articles available to us and you feel defeated trying to justify the why and when.

If anyone would like to assist me in my search for answers, I would appreciate your input or access to what is not available online. 

With my deepest respect and apologies,
Leisa.   x




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I am very sorry if I have upset you Debra as it was not my intention at all. 

I do not understand your abrupt replies with a green face emoji.

In the past, everyone that has helped me on here has been accepting that sometimes, records are incorrect and have assisted me in the right direction, similar to what you did today with the Sydney parish registers.

I trust and hope that we can move forward as I believe you have knowledge that surpasses my 12 years of self-taught research.

With only the greatest admiration,
Leisa







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Dear Debra,

Thank you.

I never thought about that.  I had been on the NSW State Library/Archives/BDM websites, however, I was unsuccessful.

I will contact the library about the church records.  My dad always wondered how they travelled from Sydney to Brisbane to be in the Fassifern area.  I used Trove to look up names on paddleships during the year they arrived to when they settled near Ipswich.  However, it was with no success.

Again Debra, I am very grateful to you for assisting me with my family research. 

With so much thanks,
Leisa

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Good morning Debra and thank you for your reply.

I realise that I have made an error with regards to Carl Frederick Schmeider's year and date of birth.

Carl was born in Feb 1858.  He was unsure of the date as he had no birth certificate.  The newspaper article is in fact incorrect with the year and day of his birth. However, his story has been passed down through generations with third and second cousins also knowing about his birth of the ship.

If you look at the inscription on his headstone, it says he passed away 30 July 1942 at the age of 83 years and five months.  By my calculations, this makes Carl born in Feb 1858. 

I do hope that you accept my apologies for the incorrect year of birth and date.  With his brother being born in 1859 which a birth certificate in the Qld BDM,  you are right that he was not born in that same year, which helps my case for him being born on the Fanny Kirchner.

With the most kindest regards Debra,
Leisa


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For Lisa. x
 
New information supporting my great grandfather being born on the Fanny Kirchner.

With thanks,
Leisa

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