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Canada / Re: Johnston Family - Owen Sound & Haliburton areas
« on: Thursday 01 January 15 15:38 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Janice,
As you said in an earlier post "Lilly and Samuel Grimason lived in Toronto, Ontario, then Regina, Saskatchewan, then Winnipeg, Manitoba, and finally British Columbia where they died."
What we do know is that;
In 1908 John McKinley GRIMASON was born in York, Ontario.
In November 1910 Samuel and Lilly try to cross the Border at Buffalo Creek, New York, USA.
In 1916 Samuel and Lilly were now living in Saskatchewan.
In 1921 Samuel and Lilly were now living in Winnipeg, Manitoba.
In 1958 Samuel died in Vernon, British Columbia.
In 1961 Lilly Died in Vernon, British Columbia.

On the basis that we have found no death for John McKinley GRIMASON prior to or even after 1910 one would expect that John McKinley GRIMASON would have eventually gone to school, as to under what name is a mute point.
With us not being able to find a record for John McKinley GRIMASON so far this would imply adoption and since Samuel GRIMASON did not have any close kin in Canada we then need to look at Lily's side of the family, maybe they took on John McKinley GRIMASON and renamed him to protect him once he went to school.
Clearly by the time that Samuel and Lilly tried crossing the border at Buffalo creek, New York, USA in November 1910 something had happened to John McKinley GRIMASON.
Not finding a death record does not rule out that fact that he may have died as this may have happened in another state other than Ontario.
Case in point is the Death of (Doctor) Alexander Mearns GRIMASON and his son John Menzies GRIMASON in 1905 in Swift Creek, Saskatchewan, Canada.

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Canada / Re: Johnston Family - Owen Sound & Haliburton areas
« on: Wednesday 31 December 14 15:23 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Janice,
So we have two individuals Named John McKinley ......
1. John McKinley JOHNSTON born about 1893 in Glasgow, Scotland
2. John McKinley GRIMASON born 1908 in Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Both have the same mother.

So far you have managed to trace John McKinley JOHNSTON to his death.
Unfortunately John McKinley GRIMASON appears to vanish post his birth and that includes no death either which could imply that he was indeed adopted out.
Being able to prove this theory about a possible adoption is another story and being able to find any record of this may be impossible.
I note that Samuel GRIMASON and Lilly JOHNSTON formally McKINLEY do not show up in the 1911 Canadian Census so I wonder were they where at that time, this would have been close on a year after their attempted and aborted border crossing into USA at Buffalo Creek, New York.
They can be found in the 1916 Census and also the 1921 Census.

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London & Middlesex Completed Lookup Requests / Re: Joseph Jesse Hunt 1857
« on: Thursday 18 December 14 15:05 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Isobelruss,
I know about the other Samuel GRIMASON or as you have him GRIMERSON yet another variation of the surname that I already knew about.
So the two Samuel GRIMASON's that were in the armed forces about 1880 who married are as follows;

Samuel GRIMASON / GRIMSON + Maria Clark ROWE 1861 @ Greenwich, England
Ex Weaver, well that sure is one of the occupations my lot did, however I guess it was not exclusive to one surname.

Samuel GRIMASOM + Theresa CAMILLERIE 1 Aug 1864 @ Malta
This Samuel was born about 1836 @ Drumcree, Armagh, Ireland.

Please note both Samuels had sons by the same name as well, why should I not be surprised. lol
It would appear that Samuel GRIMASON the son of Samuel GRIMASON and Maria Clark ROWE also was involved in the Armed forces at least about 1901 after that period I am not sure.

As for the other Samuel GRIMASON the son of Samuel GRIMASON  and Theresa CAMILLERIE his occupation was a Boot maker and he Died in CANADA in 1958 there is a bit of a story that goes with this one concerning family in England and Canada that neither knew about each other, still unraveling the Canadian part.

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Canada / Re: Johnston Family - Owen Sound & Haliburton areas
« on: Thursday 18 December 14 05:03 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Janice,
The more one looks at Samuel GRIMASON aka JONES and Lilly Johnston formally McKinley and there attempted Border crossing at Buffalo, New York, USA on the 27 Oct 1910 the more I am inclined to think that John McKinley GRIMASON may have been adopted out.
They were turned back at the border due to being an unmarried couple and I suspect that John McKinley GRIMASON may have been adopted out due to the fact that he was born out of Wedlock and his father was also in a bigamous relationship this situation was to stay the same until the 2nd Quarter of 1942 as this appears to be when Nellie aka Ellen GRIMASON formally HIGHFIELD died, will need to get a death certificate to confirm what I suspect age fits nicely though.
So that means Samuel could not legally marry until at lest July 1942.
It appears that apart from the 1881 Census of England his family is no where to be found at the next Census of 1891 in England which suggests that they may have been in Ireland, this we will never know due to that census having been destroyed.
I do know that he married Nellie ( Ellen ) HIGHFIELD on the 15 Aug 1898 at Landhed, Chester, England and they did have issue; William John GRIMASON born 1899 at Lambeth, Surrey, England and then Theresa GRIMASON in 1900 at Lambeth, Surrey, England.
In the 1911 Census of England Nellie aka Ellen GRIMASON is now living with her parents with her two children.

The next time he shows up is on 21 Apr 1905 as a passenger under the surname of Jones aboard the "Tunisian" at Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada.

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London & Middlesex Completed Lookup Requests / Re: Joseph Jesse Hunt 1857
« on: Wednesday 17 December 14 23:47 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Isobelruss,
Thank you for that bit of information, yet again my lot using another surname, this time GRIMSON and I ought to have checked that mind you it is possible that Louise St Clair who was doing a One Name Study on the GRIMSON/ GRIMSTON/ GRIMSTONE surname had him in her database, it would appear that Louise may no longer be doing any research however i could be proven wrong on that count.
As for the birth place being in County Down that is a possible however more likely to have been County Armagh as that is were the bulk of the GRIMASON baptisms / births are for the period of 1846 to 1864 at least.
Looks like I will need to check out that Marriage and see if it gives any clues as to his parents.

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Canada / Re: Johnston Family - Owen Sound & Haliburton areas
« on: Wednesday 17 December 14 23:18 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Janice,
I guess I am related to that branch due to the fact that the GRIMASON surname and variations of that spelling of the surname are pretty rare.
As for being directly related not that I am aware of.

I have a sneaking feeling that you and I have been in contact with each other before, I also go by Sherlock Holmes.
As you say post the Birth of John McKinley GRIMASON in 1908 no sign of him can be found currently.
Also if by 1917 when Samuel and Lilly tried crossing the Boarder at Buffalo Crossing if John McKinley GRIMASON was still alive he would have been 9 years old.
Samuel GRIMASON did not as far as I am aware have any close kin in Canada even though there was at least three other different branches of the Family living there.
The GRIMASON branches that I know of that were living in Canada at the time would have been the;
DEACON Branch ex Ireland arrived in Canada about 1850
GRAY Branch ex Ireland arrived in Canada about 1850
McLEAN Branch ex USA Ex Ireland arrived in Canada about 1870
There was another branch as well however that Branch had disappeared from Canada by the 1870's that I am aware of, that being the McShin Branch, which had arrived in Canada about 1840.
The DEACON, GRAY and MCLEAN branches all lived in the Ontario area of Canada of these three branches only the DEACON and GRAY line are present now days however in USA, once the current generation of the DEACON branch marry then that is the end of that Branch as far as i have been able to research.
Your Samuel GRIMASON is of the Camillerie branch currently until I manage to get that line further back in time if that is possible.
I happen to come from the BERRY branch and I suspect that I have direct relations in USA, the only way I know of to prove or disprove this is getting them to take a DNA test.
This not being able to prove by way of paper work all comes about due to the Marriage certificates not showing who the Mother was on the marriage certificates of England, Wales and Ireland.
What can cause confusion is the fact that some of the GRIMASON family adopted the GRIMSHAW surname as well, my own sub branch is a case in point.
John GRIMASON = Ann BERRY
They had issue;
Henry GRIMASON, Baptized: 1842 research on going, suspect died young however no proof.
Robert Henry GRIMASON, Baptized:1846  came to New Zealand and adopted the GRIMSHAW surname, my sub branch.
Francis GRIMASON, Baptized:1851  adopted the GRIMSHAW surname remained in Ireland some descendants in England, France and USA.
Joseph GRIMASON, Baptized:1852 suspect that descendants live in USA no adoption of the GRIMSHAW surname.
Edward GRIMASON, Baptized: 1854 research on going otherwise not known
Elizabeth GRIMASON, Baptized: 1856 research on going, suspect may have died young no marriage found that fits.
Thomas George GRIMASON, Baptized:1858 kept surname, did marry, no known descendants.


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Antrim / Re: Benson/Grimison
« on: Monday 07 March 11 05:52 GMT (UK)  »
Hi,
Isabella Grimason / Grimeson / Grimison Married Thomas Benson on 5 Oct 1877 at Partick, Lanarck, Scotland.
Father of the bride is listed as John Grimason
Mother of the bride is listed as Margaret Sinton



This is part of my Grimason One Name Study.

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Canada / Re: Need a little help with this one please!
« on: Monday 07 March 11 05:22 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Janice,
Re Samuel Grimason and Lillian McKinley.
Note the birth place of Samuel as being, England.
So looking at the Births index for Samuel Grimason's born in England prior to 1908 when John McKinley Grimason was born I find only one entry that could be your man.
Samuel Grimason was born in 1872 ( RG  Births Index 1872 Sep Quarter, Hartley Wintney Vol: 2c, Page: 177 ).
His father would be Thomas James Grimason and His mother being Isabella Morris.
Thomas James Grimason was born in 1850 based on information given in the 1881 Cencus of England & wales "1881 Cesus England:
Name Thomas J. GRIMASON Relationship Head Condition M Gender M Age 30 Occupation Racquet Instructor Birthplace Woolwich, Kent, England Address 14 St Marys Villas, New Windsor, Berkshire, England PRO ref RG11/1323 Folio 140 Page 26 FHL film no. 1341321."

Plus his death being registered in 1905 "RG Death index 1905 Sep Quarter, Windsor, Vol 2C, Page: 235 Age: 55"
I do have Thomas James Grimason's siblings recorded as well.
This Family will go back in to county Armagh, Ireland that I am sure of.
As for the townland that again is another matter.

This is part of my Grimason One Name Study by the way.

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