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My Carsons are now looking like this

Duffin Carson married Jane Andrews
and their children are
Matilda Carson b 1820
Robert Duffin Carson b 1821 d 1888 married 20 Nov 1847 • Kirkinriola, Antrim, Northern Ireland to Jane Carson 1826 - 1882 daughter of John Carson
Elizabeth Carson b 1823
William Carson b 1826 married on 31 Dec 1847 • Ballymena, Antrim, Northern Ireland to Mary Jane Rankin
Martha Carson b 20.1.1827 married on 04 Sep 1849 • 65 Kirkinriola, Antrim, Northern Ireland to Andrew Johnston b 1827 - 1887
Agnes Carson b 22 Dec 1829 (unsure if this is the correct date or christening date as sister born less than months later or her date of birth is incorrect)
Isabella Carson b 11 June 1830
John Carson b 09/07/1832

Robert Duffin Carson & Jane Carson (as above)
their children are
Duffin Carson b  Feb 1851 • Carsonstown, Ballee, Ballymena, Antrim, Northern Ireland and died 15.8.1948 and Burial 17 Aug 1948 • Ballyclug Cemetery, Antrim, Northern Ireland he married Marriage 09 Aug 1873 • presbyterian Church, Wellington Street, Ballymena, Antrim, Northern Ireland Lizzie - Elizabeth Murray daughter of Duffin Murray & Ann Murray nee Shaw
Margret Mary Carson Birth 10 Jun 1874 • Galgorm, Antrim, Northern Ireland died in 1899 married Tom Ritchie
Jane (Jeanie/Ginny) Carson b 14 Nov 1876 • Ballymena, Antrim, Northern Ireland died in 14 March 1897 married (Unknown) Murray
Annie Carson born 01 May 1879 • Connor, Antrim, Northern Ireland married Hugh Magill
Robert Carson born 10 Nov 1884 • Ballymena, Antrim, Northern Ireland and Died
26 Dec 1983 • Christchurch, Canterbury, New Zealand married 17 Jun 1912 • Belfast Registry Office, Belfast, Antrim, Northern Ireland to Maude Elizabeth Quinn b 1882 - d 1915
Elizabeth Lizzie Molly Carson b 19 March 1887
Sara Carson b 1889 married Samuel McClure Blair b 1885
May Mary Carson b 31 May 1895 married Christopher Metcalfe in New Zealand

Robert Carson & Maude Elizabeth Carson
Their Children
Murray Carson 1913-2001 B in Christchurch, New Zealand & died in Palmerston North New Zealand (my grandfather)
Doreen Louise Carson b 1915 - d 2013 b in Christchurch and died in Hamilton New Zealand

The Duffin name seems to appear throughout
Any information or further details would be appreciated please

Maybe you should ask me specific questions if I can help. Here's a start - Charles Frederick and Hugh Leatham Black were married to the two Hickson sisters in a double wedding in 1855 in Auckland. The Hicksons family are a 'Fencible' family - there is plenty on the web re the Fencibles.  The Fencibles were retired soldiers who were recruited to come to NZ to defend Auckland from the Maori in the early days. Captain John Annesley Hickson was in charge of a troops coming to NZ in 1848. He had a large family and was the father of the two sisters (Mary Louisa and Frances Elizabeth). His wife was Elizabeth Pleasant (nee) Williams.
What I found interesting is that Elizabeth and Dr Black's wife Charlotte were actually cousins.  All of them came from what is now Northern Ireland. In those days there was a very small 'pool' of suitable people for these middle class families to marry into - so not surprising that these four were married.
Miss Florence Black was a music teacher of some renown - she was the daughter of Hugh and Mary, never married. Here is an article about her: If you google Wanganui Music Socieity you will probably find it with a photo.


Black, Miss F. E., Teacher of the Piano and Singing and the Theory of Music, “The Oaks,” River Bank, Wanganui. Miss Black was born in Melbourne at the residence of her grandfather, Dr. Thomas Black, of “Cintra,” St. Kilda, and accompanied her parents to Auckland while still an infant. She was a pupil of Mr. J. H. Beale while in Auckland, and subsequently in Wellington of Mr. J. A. Edwards, who was at one time conductor and choirmaster of All Saints' Church, St. Kilda, Melbourne, which was reputed to have the best choir in the Australian colonies. Miss Black was pianist to the Choral Society of Wellington, of which Mr. Elwards was conductor. Miss Black studied singing and voice-production under Signor Carmini Morley, and subsequently returned to Auckland, where she was a pupil of Mr. Angelo Forrest, one of the best pianists in the Colony. For ten years Miss Black taught music in the Girls' High School in Wellington, Mr. Parker and herself being the first teachers appointed to give musical instruction in that school. During her residence in Wellington, Miss Black taught at St. Mary's Convent for four or five years. While resident in Auckland she taught at the Girls' High School. She has resided in Wanganui since 1893, and during the year 1894 was one of the teachers at the Boys' Collegiate School. Sh is one of the appointed teachers on the staff of the Girls' College. Miss Black has been very successful in training pupils for the Trinity College examination, and has a large connection.

I was very kindly sent a huge quantity of material from a lady in NZ who has researched the Hickson family tree also.

Fun to find out we are related!

HI Captain John Annesley Hickson and Elizabeth Pleasant Williams were my great great great graandparents - through their son Charles Alfred St John Hickson and his daughter Cora Hickson could you please let me know the connection of the cousins Elizabeth & Charlotte - Many Thanks Sue

Well done Cando.....

I found it hard to conceive the possibility of her coming to Australia when  her mother had a large number of children younger than Olive at home all boys  the other older girl having died young.  At least one son died in WW1  and another did in Africa in 1900 perhaps in one of the so called Boer Wars. 

Family folktales do have an element of truth but also fiction  involved.

A possible scenario is  that the Miss Black she trained under perhaps had wealthy connections in Australia and as social climbing was prolific she may have grabbed on to her coat-tails so to speak.

Like Cando I could not find her coming or going to Australia and if CAndo who has obviously spent a long time on  this hasn't found it either it leads me to doubt the story in its entirety


Jenn

I have attached a list of her family Louisa Cooks father was a Captain so possibly may have assisted with the travel if she did travel but with such a big family am sure she would have been required at home

A few more snippets:
According to notices in the digitised newspaper site (using search for Black St Kilda Cintra):

• The son-in-law Herbert MEYER was from Canterbury NZ (marriage 1861)
  The marriage of Jane Irwin BLACK (1862) to Francis John ALDERSON took place in Dunedin.
  Son William was with the National Bank of Australasia in 1878
  Thmas' wife died 2 February 1874 (no first name given)

It could well be that he is not the right Dr Black.  The connections to New Zealand may be only a co-incidence.  Perhaps the Dr Black's practice was in Collins St and he lived elsewhere??

Judith

I have Thomas Blacks wife as Charlotte Leatham born 1800 Ireland and died 1874 in Melbourne if this helps

Quote from: tropicalj on Tuesday 07 September 10 07:48 BST (UK)

Quote from: Glamis on Sunday 05 September 10 01:11 BST (UK)

Thanks Tropical, No, they were quite well placed but remember these were times when folk used their initiatives and skills having left the 'home lands'. Yes, Mum recalls all Uncles and we sat down yesterday and she ticked them off on a list and married up their respective wives. We didn't go so far to do the children she recalled but will do another day.
Uncles list-:
Wilfred,
Harold,
Lesley,
Keith
Arthur
I found two male children one died at 7 hours old and another at 3 months in 1885. ( Possibly twins) Won't post the refs until I learn more. If they are siblings to Olive Mary and her Sister and their brothers then that is more sadness for Olive and Louisa.

On this point I am surprised given your interest in family research and  the fact that your mum is still alive and albeit rather muddled on occassion  that you haven't delved into her Aunts and Uncles to gleem any knowledge she might have of them.  I wonder if she rembers being told that one of them died in WW1 and one in Africe in 1900 (there must be  a story in that )


I also noted  that Miss Black also taught music to Cora Hickson who would have been Olive Mary's cousin.




Jenn

Hi - Cora Hickson was my Great Mother and I have a bit of info on the Hickson tree if you would like any further info

Is this the family of Louisa Cook & Richard Hickson you were asking about - the names I have are
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Richard Theordore Annesley Hickson1880 – 1900
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Florence Louisa Hickson1881 – 1891
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Olive Mary Te Akau Hickson1883 – 1956
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Arthur Selwyn Hickson1885 – 1969
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Herbert Leslie Hickson1886 – 1941
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Wilfred Howard Hickson1889 – 1930
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Harold Jordan Hickson1890 – 1953
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Noel Skerrett Hickson1892 – 1953
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Clarence William Hyndman Hickson1894 – 1918
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Keith Melville Hickson1896 – 1955
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Claude Merland Hickson1898 – 1958
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Ethel Constance Hickson1907 – 1908
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