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Essex / Re: George E. Simmons & Dora Turner/Charity Waller of Essex
« on: Wednesday 16 March 11 02:23 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: crisane on Wednesday 16 March 11 01:56 GMT (UK)
Umm Burrell is very close to Pittsburg so it could be your George but if it is what happened to Caroline, Sarah and emma?
Did Caroline die and Sarah and Emma go to their maternal grandparents and dad remarried and came back to England.
We are raising more questions than answering them :)

Can you find this family in US 1871 census in an effort to eliminate them as your George?

Not really looking good

1870 United States Federal Census
about George Simmons
Name: George Simmons
Birth Year: abt 1829
Age in 1870: 41
Birthplace: England
Home in 1870: Allegheny, Armstrong, Pennsylvania
Gender: Male
Value of real estate: .
Household Members:    
Name Age
George Simmons 41
Caroline Simmons 40
Sarah Ann Simmons 18
Emma Simmons 13
Mary Jane Simmons 10
George Simmons 7
John Simmons 4
William Douglas 24
Elisabeth Douglas 21
Alfred James 30
Andrew Quinn 28
Thomas Davis 35
Martin Mullin 23
Elizah Heath 23
William Quinn 30
Joseph Howard 19

===

However, the 1881 Census in England lists Charles Simmons' birthplace as Allegheny which is interesting as this is where the census is taken from.

Also:

1880 United States Federal Census
about Geo. Simmons
Name: Geo. Simmons
Home in 1880: Gilpin, Armstrong, Pennsylvania
Age: 51
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829
Birthplace: England

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Essex / Re: George E. Simmons & Dora Turner/Charity Waller of Essex
« on: Wednesday 16 March 11 01:25 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: crisane on Wednesday 16 March 11 00:14 GMT (UK)
Look what I found on the familysearch beta site. A possible for your George but it costs to get the image. Unfortunately nothing for Dora or Charles and Annie K.
1860 US census
Name, George Simmons
Residence , Westmoreland, Pennsylvania
Ward,  Burrell Township
Age, 31 years
Estimated birth year, 1829
Birthplace,  England
Gender: Male
Page: 85
Family number - 600
Film number- 805195
DGS number - 4293563
Image number - 00234
NARA number - M653

1860 United States Federal Census
about George Simmons
Name: George Simmons
Age in 1860: 31
Birth Year: abt 1829
Birthplace: England
Home in 1860: Burrell, Westmoreland, Pennsylvania
Gender: Male
Post Office: Murrysville
George Simmons 31
Caroline Simmons 30
Sarah A Simmons 9
Emma Simmons 2

===

i wonder if Caroline could have been his first wife?

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Essex / Re: George E. Simmons & Dora Turner/Charity Waller of Essex
« on: Tuesday 15 March 11 23:58 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: crisane on Tuesday 15 March 11 23:11 GMT (UK)
Hi
The English death certs I have only give the informant and the wife or husband of the deceased.
it is different for different countries eg Australian ones I have give the husband/wife, the parents and all the children born to the marriage. Of course all the info given is only as good as the knowledge the informant has. One of my husband's great aunts got the maiden name of her mother completely wrong!
As you say the more certicates you have  the more you cover all bases, and although expensive may be necessary.
I can't see any other family trees on ancestry or GenesReunited for your George or Dora/Dorothy Webster.
Looking for a birth of a Dorothy Webster on FreeBMD 1838-1845 only one turns up and that is in Bakewell Derbyshire in 1839 which is not one of the counties Dora gave in the census records as her place of birth!
I'll follow her through the censuses just to eliminate her.

Can we be sure the maiden name is "Webster" despite it saying 'formerly'? Because the Birth Certificate has: Name, surname and maiden name as Dorothy Savory Simmons which led me to believe Simmons was her maiden name

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Essex / Re: George E. Simmons & Dora Turner/Charity Waller of Essex
« on: Tuesday 15 March 11 21:54 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: crisane on Tuesday 15 March 11 20:51 GMT (UK)
Hi
yes I also think it is savory and there are a few people with the name savory on FreeBMD and ancestry but not Dorothy/Dora Webster!
That death record is the same as I posted i think and it would give you information as to informant and his wife etc but not his parents. I also posted a possible death record for Dora earlier.
Yes I also have a full sub to ancestry but haven't been able to find any voyage record to or from USA for George and Dora/Dorothy either, together or Dora as Webster.
Still no sign of a marriage for George and Dora/Dorothy in England so we need to see if they married in US and if there are Pennsylvania birth records for Charles and Annie K.
The marriage would be good as it would give George and Dora/Dorothy's father's names.
Try www.cyndislist.com and click on U to take you to sites available for research in USA. There is a site vitalrec.com for BMD's at which I took a quick look and seems to have a free 7 day trial but then is $40 US dollars for a years sub.
There is also the Pennsylvania historical society (google it) which may be able to help with advice.
That marriage record is needed to get further back:)


As usual, thanks

Is there a reason you think his death certificate wouldn't list his parents? Thats unfortunate. Makes finding the marriage certificate all the more important.

Im probably going to end up having to order a batch of records from the freebmd to ensure I have all my bases covered.

Ill also see what I can do with the Pennsylvania link and try to make connections with George's other children and see if they have any family trees.

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Canada Lookup Request / Re: Montreal Gazette obituary lookup
« on: Tuesday 15 March 11 21:50 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: chinakay on Tuesday 15 March 11 14:57 GMT (UK)
Okay, here we go. He was buried from Notre Dame Basilica in downtown Montreal, and the burial record reads (translated from French):

The 30th September 1914 we the undersigned priest have buried in the cemetery of this parish the body of Dennis Sullivan, day-labourer, widower of Catherine Rae, deceased the 27th of the current month at the age of 65, of the parish of Ste Anne. Witnesses Francois Desmarchais and Lindsay Crochetiere both clerks.

He would have been buried here...it's a Catholic cemetery.
http://www.cimetierenotredamedesneiges.ca/en/

Cheers,
China
Thanks, thats definitely him, although whoever reported his age is a bit off I imagine, as his marriage record I have for him in Ireland shows him being married in 1859 which would make him 10 years old at the time! haha

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Essex / Re: George E. Simmons & Dora Turner/Charity Waller of Essex
« on: Tuesday 15 March 11 09:42 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: crisane on Tuesday 15 March 11 09:14 GMT (UK)
Hi
Formerly Webster means that was her maiden name.
This says Dorothy, something? Webster. Can you tell what the word is after Dorothy and before Webster?
I still can't find a marriage for George Simmons and a Webster. Do you have access to birth and marriage records in US specifically Pensylvania as this is where they had their first and second children Charles and Annie K?

I am going to keep searching in the censuses for Dora/Dorothy prior to her marriage but she makes difficult by changing her mind about where she was born.

Looks like "Savory" to me

Feels really good to be able to distance myself from the mess that is Dora Turner/George Simmons with the whole 22 children business.

I have ancestry world deluxe so I'm going to try and seek out the Penn. records, but they look scarce at first glance.

Furthermore, I did some more digging and found a potential death record for George:

Deaths Mar 1907
Simmons    George    77    Epping    4a   284
Death @ 77 makes him born ~1830 which is right on par, so I might have to go ahead and order this as well :)

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Canada Lookup Request / Re: Montreal Gazette obituary lookup
« on: Tuesday 15 March 11 08:14 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: chinakay on Friday 11 March 11 15:40 GMT (UK)
Try here:
 http://www.rootschat.com/links/0c7y/   

Also if you could give us a name, we might be able to find the church burial entry.
Appreciate it

Its for Denis Sullivan. Died 27 Sep 1914 in Montreal, buried 30 Sep.

Im not having any luck with the google archives although thanks for the resource - I never even knew it existed!

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Essex / Re: George E. Simmons & Dora Turner/Charity Waller of Essex
« on: Tuesday 15 March 11 08:05 GMT (UK)  »
Success!

I'm assuming the "formerly Webster" implies that she is a widow of an unknown Webster...but why does Arthur list his mother later on as "Dora Webster" in his marriage certificate?

Now...it lists Dorothy's maiden name as Simmons...I hope this isn't going where I think its going.

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Canada Lookup Request / Re: Montreal Gazette obituary lookup
« on: Friday 11 March 11 09:26 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: chinakay on Friday 11 March 11 06:32 GMT (UK)
Date?
27 Sep 1914

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