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Hampshire & IOW Lookup Requests / Re: 3 cottages owned in Ringwood by John Bessant Veal and Mr Metcalf 1830-1860 appro
« on: Sunday 14 November 21 22:20 GMT (UK)  »
John Bessant VEAL was at Ryderswells, South Malling, and then Park Gate, Ringmer, because he had married the daughter of Rev John LUPTON, Rector of Cliffe (Lewes) and curate of Ringmef (who lived at Ringmer Vicarage).

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Sussex / Re: william trigwell
« on: Sunday 14 November 21 22:09 GMT (UK)  »
LOADS of info about the transported John TRIGWELL, and I do a 1 hour talk on Ellen's father Samuel WILLIAMS. Contact me via www.ringmer.info

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: SMYTH or SMYTHE family and ESCOTT family, England
« on: Monday 18 October 21 01:28 BST (UK)  »
Re Harry ESCOTT, Lewes racehorse trainer, 1856-1948.
Always called Harry ESCOTT during his very successful life in Lewes (from before 1881 to his retirement in 1925), first at Hillside and then at Astley House stables. Born Hull (1881) or Blandford, Dorset (1891-1911). Retired to Hove, where he died in 1948. One son by his first marriage to Annie PETTITT. Two more sons and three daughters by his second marriage to Julia nee GEBBIE (British subject born in Paris).
However, in 1871 a stable lad called Harry HISCOCK aged 14 in the Woodyates yard of trainer William DAY.
Birth reg Harry HISCOCK Jun quarter 1856, Blandford reg dist, mother's maiden name HUNT. Bapt Oct 1857 at Blandford aged 1, same name. With his parents in Blandford 1861; left the family by 1871. Youngest son of the family of Richard HISCOCK and Maria HUNT who married at Blandford on 11 Jan 1835.
Seems more convincing if you say "HISCOCK", dropping the H, in a Sussex accent, in which all the emphasis is on the first syllable, the rest of the name mumbled.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: (*Completed with thanks*)Name in an early 17th C will.
« on: Thursday 23 January 20 17:23 GMT (UK)  »
Some local history & geography here.
Wellingham and Norlington are two of the 'burroughs' of the parish of Ringmer [old settlements assembled to create the parish of Ringmer]. Norlington is next to a large (2,000acre) common- deerpark called The Broyle, also in Ringmer.

Sir Thomas Springett,  was eldest son of a wealthy Lewes lawyer, Herbert Springett, who had prospered as local factotum for Sir Thomas Sackville, later Lord Buckhurst, later 1st Earl of Dorset, who became immensely wealthy as Lord Treasurer to Queen Elizabeth I. Herbert Springett bought and rebuilt a mansion called Broyle Place, tucked in to the eastern side of the Broyle, on the far eastern boundary of Ringmer parish. buying it from the Langworth family. The Langworths were ironmasters from Buxted, but had strong connections to the Elizabethan theatre scene in London. Herbert Springett established his sons at Broyle Place as members of the county gentry. He has a memorial in the Springett chapel of Ringmer church which shows him in Puritan dress and claims he spent his life assisting widows and orphans (hopefully not the way he made so much money).

Richard Amherst succeeded Herbert Springett as Sussex lawyer/steward to the Sackville/Dorset family, managing their manors.

The Sackville/Dorsets best known house was the former royal palace of Knole, Kent, (now  in the care of the National Trust) but they also owned manors across Sussex,  including the former-royal manor of Ringmer. They also held the lease, from the Crown, of the Broyle, where they were masters of the game.

John Hart's master was I think the 3rd Earl of Dorset, a national figure, though without the political clout of his grandfather. His executors were the two senior lawyers in the local Sackville/Dorset patronage network. What was John HART's role? I think he was a bit lower down the hierarchy, described only as a yeoman when in 1590 he purchased a house called Dunstalls in Norlington borough, tucked into the western side of the Broyle. John Hart junior sold it in the 1640s to one of Sir Thomas Springett's younger sons (Thomas Springett of Plumpton was another younger son) but Edward Hart, gent, was still living there as tenant in the 1662 hearth tax, when with 8 hearths it was the largest house in Norlington. For comparison Broyle Place had 30 hearths, typical cottages and farmhouses 1-4 hearths.

What did John Hart do for the Earl of Dorset? Probably something to do with the Broyle, of which the Earl was Master. He  wasn't the huntsman/park keeper in charge of the deer - there were two of them, and they lived in lodges in the Broyle itself. He might have had some supervisory role, but most probably he was in charge of the wood business. He is identified as woodward of the Broyle in two May 1609 letters in the Cecil papers at Hatfield House written by Sir Henry GULDEFORDE to the Earl of Salisbury, then Lord Treasurer. HART the woodward was then 'in Town', and GULDEFORDE thought he should be hauled before the attorney general to account for all the tree felling going on. DORSET was Master of the Game, with the right to hunt the Broyle deer, but not to cut down timber, which belonged to the crown, and over which GULDEFORDE (a relative of the GAGE family who owned the adjoining Plashett Park) had oversight. This was the height of the Wealden iron industry, which had a massive demand for charcoal, created by itinerant workers who felled and burnt coppice wood for the purpose. We know from other sources that in the 16th/17th centuries most of the timber growing in the Broyle was replaced by coppice, but that as the industry declined from the late-17th century the timber was allowed to re-grow. Woodward was not necessarily a full-time job. John HART had a certain amount of land outside the Broyle himself, so doubtless combined this with a bit of farming.   

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: A few snippets, 17th C English
« on: Thursday 23 January 20 15:43 GMT (UK)  »
James Gardiner alias Hart was indeed a Papist. He was parkkeeper of the Plashett (deer) Park, in Ringmer, which was owned by the Papist GAGE family of Firle, descended from a courtier of Henry VIII (Sir John GAGE, he googles) who established their fortune dealing in monastic lands, including those of Battle Abbey. Plashett Park came their way as a result of a 1545 three way exchange of property in Ringmer and Kent involving Sir John Gage, Archbishop of Canterbury Thomas Cranmer, and another gentleman of the court. The Gages, now Viscounts, still own Firle Place.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Last few from Ringmer
« on: Thursday 23 January 20 15:23 GMT (UK)  »
Contact me via www.ringmer.info

Quite a bit of info on Ringmer Hart family.

Only the third entry is HART. The baptism is REDE and the marriage FOORD/CATT

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Lancashire Lookup Requests / Re: 1851 SPEED Salford Lancashire
« on: Monday 04 December 17 03:44 GMT (UK)  »
Rather a late response to this post, but my ancestor Joseph KAY and his family lived at 2 Marshall Street, Greengate, Salford, in 1861.

He had previously worked as a bleacher at Horrobin Mill, in Turton township near Bolton, and moved from there to Greengate with his family in the mid-1850s.

In 1874 he died in an accident at work at the Broughton Dye Works - he was discovered with unexplained head injuries. This was a business owned by Samuel Dewhurst & Co, who were bleachers, dyers, [cotton] printers, manufacturers of cloth for bookbinders, beetle-finishers, cotton spinners and manufacturers at Adelphi Street & Blackburn Street [the two streets adjoin on the banks of the Irwell.

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Sussex / Re: Did John Hepden marry 2 sisters?
« on: Friday 02 June 17 10:00 BST (UK)  »
Any evidence for two John HEPDENs?

Alice FORD appears to have been pretty young when she married. Multiple marriages between the same families were far from unknown.

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Sussex / Re: Did John Hepden marry 2 sisters?
« on: Thursday 01 June 17 21:19 BST (UK)  »
FORD, FORDE, FOORD, FOURD, etc (spellings vary with the recorder) is the commonest Ringmer name from the 17th century (the parish registers survive from 1605) to the mid-20th, when JONES & SMITH took over. If at any time from the 17th century from the 19th you stood on Ringmer Green and yelled for John FORD people would have responded from all directions.

In the 17th century alone:
John & Ann had children bapt in 1605 (John) & 1607/8.
John & Mary had children bapt in 1606 (Mary), 1607/8 (Mary), 1608/9 (John), 1611, 1615, 1620/1, 1623, 1625, 1626/7, 1627/8, 1629, 1632 & 1635. Probably not all one family. John FOORD married Mary CATT in 1616, and baptisms in the 1620s & 1630s are to John FORD the keeper of the Broyle [Park]. John FOORD the keeper gave evidence in 1622 that he was aged 29, had dwelt in the Broyle for 7 years and known it for 16 years. He acted in wood sales from the Broyle for his master, the Earl of Dorset, 1620-1629. Later his son John gave evidence that his father had been keeper for 30 years.
John FORD the carpenter & Rose had children bapt in 1635/6 (John), 1638 (Marie), 1640/1 (two), 1643/4 (two), 1646 & 1649. He had an unbaptised son buried in 1652. John FOURDE married Rose READE in Feb 1634/5. Probate of the 1645 will of Rose's sister describes Rose as bound as executor along with John FOORD of Ringmer, carpenter. There is a 1670 inventory of Rose FOORD of Ringmer, widow of John FOORD, in the East Sussex Record Office. The value was a modest £31.
John FOURDE the younger married Marie FOSTER in Feb 1636/7, both of this parish. They had children bapt at Ringmer in Feb 1641/2 (Alice) & Mar 1649. John FOARDE of Ringmer had a daughter baptised at Barcombe (next parish west) in Jan  1653/4.
John FOORD the carpenter of Bentley & Mary had 8 children bapt at Ringmer 1665-1687, including a John & 2 Marys.
John FOORD of Norlington & Susan/na had 4 children bapt at Ringmer Dec 1683-Mar 1689, including a John & a Mary.
The 1641 Protestation Return in the parish registers was signed by John FORD and John FOORD. Another petition to Parliament in 1648, asking them to reach an accommodation with King Charles ad cut taxes, was signed by John FORD and John FOORDE.
In the 1662 Hearth Tax there were two John FORDs in Norlington borough, and another John FORD and a Thomas FORD in Middleham borough, Ringmer, all with 2-hearth houses.
In 1641 John FOORD of Ringmer, yeo, purchased and identifiable (and surviving) house in Norlington borough, and in 1658 he and his wife Mary sold it to a man with the same surname as the surety for the 1636/7 John FOURDE/Marie FOSTER marriage, which was by licence.
All rather confusing, I'm afraid.

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