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Antrim / Re: Eliza Jenkins(born 1865) son John McNeill Jenkins (born 1903)
« on: Wednesday 20 November 24 15:11 GMT (UK)  »
I notice on the birth record of John in 1903 the mothers maiden name was Gingles, then crossed out and Jenkins substituted. There are Elizabeth Gingles born in Larne.

SS

Hi All, on the name Gingles I found with interest a connection to Samuel Richmond. Presuming this is the same Samuel who died in Larne in 1903 aged 32 (Workhouse). I found a birth record for a Samuel Richmond in 1871, Ballysnod, Larne. Father Henry and mother Jane Gingles.

Now,

I have been pondering over all of the information to try and look at the possibility that John Hunter McNeill is my great-grandfather. I will start by saying that you have helped a family in New Zealand discover the correct John McNeill, brother of the Andrew McNeill who emigrated to NZ (sons of Robert John McNeill) that you have listed. The information they provided to me was John McNeill married to Ellen Wylie (father William) possibly also on Main Street, Larne.  Andrew's son Tom is the DNA match to my grandfather through Tom's daughter.

I see that John Hunter McNeill is a widower on the 1901 census which I presume is the reason their children are with Sarah's parents. This started a search for the death records of Sarah and John Hunter McNeill. I presume Sarah passed away between Jeanie's birth in 1899 and the census in 1901. I have checked Family Search, Irish Genealogy and Emerald Ancestors which have all come up blank.  Any thoughts?

Again, many thanks for all your help.

Kind regards








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Antrim / Re: Eliza Jenkins(born 1865) son John McNeill Jenkins (born 1903)
« on: Sunday 17 November 24 17:41 GMT (UK)  »
This witness may or may not be the Samuel Richmond father of Elizabeth Gault Jenkins/Smyth later McKinstry but it is interesting that the groom is a John McNeill (John Hunter McNeill married Sarah Smyth)-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1892/10649/5879931.pdf

Hi, I see that Sarah's father is named as William so I'm wondering what the connection is to Thomas Smyth?

Although I have come across this for the John McNeill (b - 06/03/1871), my possible gr-grandfather. Parents are a Robert John McNeill and Mary Jane McNeill formerly Hunter. Interesting!!

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1871/03314/2214804.pdf

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Antrim / Re: Eliza Jenkins(born 1865) son John McNeill Jenkins (born 1903)
« on: Sunday 17 November 24 13:47 GMT (UK)  »
Hi, wow, thank you for all this information. I have some of the information provided but you have made it more clear for me. I don't believe my Grandfather knew of his half-sister Lily Smyth. If he did, he did not tell my mother. We have always known of the Gault family as we occasionally visited their graves in Glynn. The Richmond name doesn't ring any bells but it is interesting that a John Hunter McNeill has appeared.

A lot to get through, very much appreciated.

Kind regards

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Antrim / Re: Eliza Jenkins(born 1865) son John McNeill Jenkins (born 1903)
« on: Sunday 17 November 24 01:50 GMT (UK)  »
I think that there are some things you might have missed and mis-interpreted.

Staring with the 1911 census here's Eliza Jenkins (age 45) and son John (age 7)-
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/St__George_s/Napier_Street/156071
Here's John's birth (mother Lizzie)-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1903/01883/1732437.pdf

Now, back ten years to 1901 census- Lizzie Jenkins is 27 and it looks as though David Jenkins (26) and Lily Smyth (7) are siblings/half siblings.
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Larne/Hope_Street/995970/

Now, Lily is sometimes a nickname for Elizabeth but I couldn't find an Elizabeth or Lily Smyth born in Larne district in the 1890s. However, searching for the surname as Jenkins brings up this birth-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1892/02329/1871958.pdf Lizzie Gault- mother Lizzie Jenkins, name of father Samuel Richmond crossed out (father of illegitimate children had to attend registration in order to be listed on birth certificate).
So, looks like Elizabeth/Eliza/Lizzie Jenkins had more than one illegitimate child. This also makes it unlikely that she was married in late 1800s.

There's more in next post ...

Hi, I believed that Lily Smyth's father was a Thomas Smyth who married my GG-Grandmother Elizabeth Gault in 1872. I now have all the information in regard to the Smyth family. The Redmond connection is new to me but I can confirm that Agnes Moore is Elizabeth Jenkins/Junkin's sister. Why would Lizzie Jenkins' daughter be given the surname Gault? Very confusing!!

Can you make out the name under Lizzie Jenkins on Lizzie Gault's birth cert? Kind Regards

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Antrim / Re: Eliza Jenkins(born 1865) son John McNeill Jenkins (born 1903)
« on: Saturday 16 November 24 20:18 GMT (UK)  »
I notice on the birth record of John in 1903 the mothers maiden name was Gingles, then crossed out and Jenkins substituted. There are Elizabeth Gingles born in Larne.

SS

Hi, Not sure why the Gingles was written but I presume just a mistake at the time. I have no family connection to the Gingles family. Regards.

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Antrim / Re: Eliza Jenkins(born 1865) son John McNeill Jenkins (born 1903)
« on: Saturday 16 November 24 15:35 GMT (UK)  »
Hi All, This is just an update on the search for my Great Grandfather. Thanks to DNA, the McNeill aspect of his name is correct. There was a match to a McNeill family from Larne which has narrowed the search down to I believe two possibilities. The DNA match came from a relative in New Zealand, an Andrew McNeill, brother of John McNeill living at 4 Roddens Road, Larne (1911 census). Andrew emigrated to NZ, another brother William James emigrated to Australia with John and another brother Allan living in Larne. I believe that either John or Allan to be my Great-Grandfather. John is married with several children so would he have had an affair with my Great-Grandmother, then sent her away when she fell pregnant, not so sure!! Allan, now this is interesting. From what I understand Allan was sent to a mental institution I presume sometime after 1911. Could this be the reason why my G-Grandmother left Larne for Belfast??

By the way, Andrew McNeill's son Tom is a 1st cousin match to my Grandfather. I just want to say thank you for your help on all of my research. Kind Regards

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Ireland / Re: Letitia Morrow married to James Morrow 1904.
« on: Sunday 29 October 23 14:50 GMT (UK)  »
Hi, I know it's been a while but recently after a chat with my Dad's 1st cousin came up with new information on the Morrow family. Also some help on the Belfast forum and some more research it looks as though I may have my Morrow family.

John Morrow b circa 1824 married Mary ? b circa 1825. Looks like they lived at the following:

20 Artillery St, Belfast
28 Sackville St, Belfast
17 North Boundary St, Belfast

Children

William 1839; John 1842; James 1843; Margaret Jane 1847; Christopher 1850; Mary ?; Andrew 1854.

There is also the possibility of a Hugh Morrow but not sure where he fits in. Also a Samuel who my Dad's cousin seems to have been told about.

As for John and Mary, I found a record of John Morrow marriage to a Maria Cummins in Dromore 1839. Again would be close to the McCord family in Moira and the Morrow links to that area of County Down but can't be sure. Again thank you for the previous information provided.

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Lanarkshire / Re: James Morrow/Sarah Jane McCord
« on: Friday 06 October 23 17:01 BST (UK)  »
Hi,

Thank you for the info. I do have birth record of Sarah in 1873 Belfast to James Morrow and Sarah Jane McCord. It looks as though the emigrated to USA as they are on the USA 1920, 30, 40 census records. Sarah lived to 101 although her birth record shows 1873 with a sister Mary Eliza born in 1878. That made her 105 at the time of her death. Wow. It looks as though it is the same family. Thanks again.

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Lanarkshire / James Morrow/Sarah Jane McCord
« on: Thursday 05 October 23 16:48 BST (UK)  »
Hi,

I was wondering if someone could help me. I have been trying to trace my Morrow roots and have found a marriage between a Charles Halmer and Sarah Leonora Morrow 29/10/1903, Kelvin, Glasgow. I am wondering is this Sarah Morrow (b1873, Belfast) daughter of my gg-grandparents James Morrow & Sarah Jane McCord. I know the ages are different to Sarah listed with her brother James (my great grandfather) and sister Annie on the 1901 census in Belfast. Just to let you know that the Annie listed on the 1901 census is actually a cousin of James and Sarah, not a sister. Kind regards Terry

FYI  https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=521505.msg7168630#msg7168630

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