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Europe / Re: DENMARK to Gloucester England
« on: Wednesday 18 May 11 14:40 BST (UK)  »
 ;D I am very happy to report that the ship was the Sappho and the article has been shared amongst the known descendants. It was published in the  Gloucester Citizen on Thursday 29th July 1915. Unfortunately it does not provide the information as to how Theodor Oscar Pedersen and the circumstances of his immigration to England. He was born in 1849 in Køge Denmark. A DNA profile is available on http://www.genetree.com/. A story from a descendant states that Thedore Oscar Pedersen had not intended to immigrate to England from Denmark it was fate that brought him to live in England.

The article itself is of historical importance as it relates to Mr. Oscar Pedersen & the crew of the Sappho being taken from the ship to a concentration camp Ruhleben.

Thank you all for the help and encouragement any future help is still welcome & very very much appreciated.

Kim,
Canada



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World War One / Re: Ruhleben camp - British civilian POWS interned in Germany
« on: Monday 09 May 11 19:14 BST (UK)  »
Hello Chris,

You've done a fantastic job. My husband is a descendant of Oscar Pedersen who did the narrative in the Gloucester Citizen on Thursday 29th July 1915 and we just found out that he was on the ship the Sapho when it left Gloucester for Hamburg on July 31, 1914. "On August 5, while taking in a general cargo at Hamburg, the crew first heard that war had broken out between Great Britain and Germany. The chief of the dock police boarded the vessel and informed the master that his ship was under detention. Five days later on August 10 a police guard was put on board the ship and the officers and crew were detained as prisoners aboard the vessel until August 15 when they were removed to a prison hulk in the harbour and the Sapho was taken possession of by the harbour authorities They remained on board the hulk close prisoners until November 6 when they were taken ashore, put on a train and carried to Ruhleben, where Mr Pedersen remained a prisoner until July 6 on the present year, when, on account of his age (he is 67) and ill-health, he was released under the scheme of exchange of prisoners"

I would enjoy hearing from you or other descendants of Oscar Pedersen of Gloucester.

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Census Lookup and Resource Requests / Re: Hilda Britton 1901 census
« on: Friday 06 May 11 19:45 BST (UK)  »
Hello Percy,

I wonder if our Britton's are connected?

1901
William Britton 35 occ Colliery Stoker Above Ground b Bristol Gloucs.
Mary J 28 b Preston Lancs
Mary E 7 b Mardy
Annie 5 b Mardy
Emily 1 b Mardy
Plus 2 Boarders
Residing at 12, Pentre Road, Ystradytodwg, Pontypridd, Glamorganshire.
Census Ref RG13/5020/103/4
Keyboard86

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Glamorganshire Lookup Requests / Re: BRITTON family Glmorgan Wales
« on: Wednesday 02 March 11 20:41 GMT (UK)  »
Of course William Britton is b: 1863 in Bristol, Gloucestershire. I think my brain is stressed. Thank you.

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Glamorganshire Lookup Requests / Re: BRITTON family Glmorgan Wales
« on: Wednesday 02 March 11 19:34 GMT (UK)  »
I am just looking at the familysearch original site at the 1881 British Census and there is a William Britten son living at 36 Gordon Street, Preston, Lancashire, England. If Mary Jane is living at 114 Adelphi St. Preston looking at Google maps they are living very close to each other. Could this be my William??? There are also lots of brothers which Violet could then come from.

 Robert BRITTON
 Head     M     Male     40     Ennis Killin, Ireland     Lab Agricultural     
 Jane BRITTON
 Wife     M     Female  40     Ennis Killin, Ireland          
 Thomas BRITTON
 Son     U     Male     16     St Helens, Lancashire, England     Shuttle Maker     
 William BRITTON
 Son          Male     14     Preston     Cotton Drawer     
 Robert BRITTON
 Son          Male     10     America     Scholar     
 Lewis BRITTON
 Son          Male     8     America     Scholar     
 Charles BRITTON
 Son          Male     6     Preston, Lancashire, England     Scholar     
 Avelina BRITTON
 Daur          Female  3     Preston, Lancashire, England     Scholar     
 Alexander BRITTON
 Son          Male     1     Preston, Lancashire, England          
 Mary SCOTT Sister In Law U Female  55     Ennis Killin, Ireland          

________________________________________
Source Information:
Dwelling     36 Gordon Street
Census Place   Preston, Lancashire, England
Family History Library Film     1342013

Public Records Office Reference     RG11
Piece / Folio     4233 / 106
Page Number     9

Quote from: Ladyhawk on Monday 28 February 11 11:53 GMT (UK)
Quote from: keyboard86 on Thursday 24 February 11 18:42 GMT (UK)
1901
William Britton 35 occ Colliery Stoker Above Ground b Bristol Gloucs.
Mary J 28 b Preston Lancs
Mary E 7 b Mardy
Annie 5 b Mardy
Emily 1 b Mardy
Plus 2 Boarders
Residing at 12, Pentre Road, Ystradytodwg, Pontypridd, Glamorganshire.
Census Ref RG13/5020/103/4


1911 census is free to search but cost credits to view
http://www.1911census.co.uk/search/tnaform.aspx

M J & William Britton have more children one son is named Arthur I'm speculating here that may be he was named after William's father and I'm wondering if this could be William on 1871c.

As previously mentioned the marriage certificate for William & Mary Jane will provide the answers

1871 Strafford Street, St Philip & Jacob, Bristol
RG10 Piece:2559 Folio:18 Page:27     
Arthur BRITTON Head M 36 1835 St. George’s Gloucester Labourer
Mary Wife F 35 1836 St. George’s Gloucestershire
George Son M 14 1857 St George’s Gloucestershire
Elizh Daughter F 11 1860 St. George’s Gloucestershire
William Son M 8 1863 Bristol Gloucestershire
Polly Daughter F 3 1868 Gloucestershire
Rose Daughter F 0 1871 Gloucestershire

Purely for info. as everything should be vertified just in case this does turn out to be the family of William Britton bn 1864 Bristol

Arthur & Mary Britain living with George & Elizabeth Fire Engine Lane, St George 1861c RG09 Piece:1731 Folio:91 Page:5

Possible marriage entry FreeBMD
Clifton Gloucester Mar q 1853
Arthur Britton name on same page
Mary Long

possibly Arthur's wife Mary Long

1851 HO107 Piece:1953 Folio: 427 Page:13     
Mary LONG Lodger Unmarried 1834 Cotton Spinner St George Gloucestershire
1841 Near Fire Engine, St George
HO107 Piece:377 Book/Folio:44 Page:6 
Mary LONG 1834 Gloucestershire with parents Philip 1796 & Mary & siblings Elizabeth, Samuel, William, Isaac & George

1851 HO107 Piece:1953 Folio:478 Page: 1
Arthur BRITTON 16 1835 Coal Miner Bitton with father widowed  Jonas bn 1804 Bitton Cordwainer 
(Arthur's mother's name could be Sarah BRITTEN - see 1841c HO107 Piece:377 Book/Folio:30 Page:3)

3 children christenings
28/9/1807 Bitton, Gloucester parents Thomas BRITTEN & Hester
children named Jonas, John & Thomas



Again ONLY a possibility for William  on 1881 census

1881 Horfield Barracks, Horfield, Horfield Gloucestershire
RG11 Piece:2488 Folio:63 Page:2 
William BRITTON Single M 18 1863 Private Bristol Gloucestershire

If you do obtain the marriage certificate please let us know the details we may be able to help further  :)





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Glamorganshire Lookup Requests / Re: BRITTON family Glmorgan Wales
« on: Wednesday 02 March 11 15:01 GMT (UK)  »
I wish it had been that easy. Family history stated that Violet Britton was family???? I am now trying to find the connection. I know this is 'our' Violet for sure. I have been unsuccessful finding her parents or the connection back to our Britton's.
Marriages Jun 1941 Britton Violet M Sharpe Todmorden 9a831
Marriages Jun 1949 Britton Violet M Traviss Todmorden 2d1259

Quote from: keyboard86 on Tuesday 01 March 11 22:06 GMT (UK)
Hi are you saying that Violet should be the offspring of William and Mary J? If so Mary J would have been maybe too old to have been the mother, the link with Britton/Wildman in 1841 seems to be 2 ladies on same page of marriages in Leeds?
Keyboard86

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Glamorganshire Lookup Requests / Re: BRITTON family Glmorgan Wales
« on: Tuesday 01 March 11 19:53 GMT (UK)  »
OK since everyone has been so very helpful  :) I wonder if I could challenge again with a BRITTON family brick wall.
I can find:
Births Jun 1922 Britton Violet M Wildman Todmorden 9a338
Marriages Jun 1941 Britton Violet M Sharpe Todmorden 9a831
Marriages Jun 1949 Britton Violet M Traviss Todmorden 2d1259

 :-\ I am confused by BMD as I think it says Violet Britton is the daughter of Ann Britton & Mary Wildman in 1841??? I was under the understanding this family tied back to the family found:
1901
William Britton 35 occ Colliery Stoker Above Ground b Bristol Gloucs.
Mary J 28 b Preston Lancs
Mary E 7 b Mardy
Annie 5 b Mardy
Emily 1 b Mardy
Plus 2 Boarders
Residing at 12, Pentre Road, Ystradytodwg, Pontypridd, Glamorganshire.
Census Ref RG13/5020/103/4

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Europe / Re: DENMARK to Gloucester England
« on: Monday 28 February 11 18:30 GMT (UK)  »
Very interesting... it looks like Alfred Holbrook & Adelaide Holbrook are the witnesses. I hadn't thought of that thank you again.

Quote from: jorose on Monday 28 February 11 18:17 GMT (UK)
I found the Saffron of Sunderland in 1871 - RG10/1781 286/3 (enumerated in Suffolk).  Captain at that time was John James Ormiston and there were a total of 8 men aboard on the night of the census - master, mate, a cook/steward and 5 A.B. seamen. No Danes aboard.

So he e might have been on the Saffron sometime between 1871 and 1874. On the marriage certificate, who were the witnesses? (They could be fellow sailors).

You would think that he'd show up on parish records/censuses in Køge but I'm not having any luck.
http://www.sa.dk/ao/Kirkeboeger/default.aspx
http://www.ddd.dda.dk/kiplink_en.htm

But he could easily be "lost" somewhere perhaps under an variant spelling (the census indexing is not yet complete), or have been christened in another parish but moved to Koge as a boy.

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Europe / Re: DENMARK to Gloucester England
« on: Monday 28 February 11 16:36 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you, on the marriage it states Profession: Seaman, and his death certificate it states Occupation: Able Seaman Mercantile Marine (retired). I will certainly check the merchant marine site.

Quote from: jorose on Saturday 26 February 11 13:23 GMT (UK)
Hi, I think getting his marriage certificate would be useful. You would get his occupation - perhaps he was working on ships in 1874 but circumstances could easily have changed between 1874 and 1881.

His marriage certificate should also tell you his address and the witness names - may be just from his wife's family as they seem to have come and lived with them but could be someone he was working with (he probably didn't have family in the area).

There is another incident with the Saffron which happened in 1876:
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=OW18760219.2.52.4&srpos=1&e=-------10--1----2Barque+Saffron--

The Saffron does appear to have been around earlier: from a 1867 mercantile navy list her official number was 84850, she was 276 tonnes and owned by W. H. Watson, Sunderland.

Unfortunately, it is not easy to research merchant navy records during this period. You could have a look through the various resources mentioned here:
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/MerchantMarine.html

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