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Morning, I have william hartopp feb 1774 born Keyham leicetershire died  oct 1864 Thurmaston


   father,    John Hartopp (1746-)
         
   mother,     Mary Searson (1745-)
         

            No Siblings

    Spouse & Children
        Elizabeth Daft (1780-1858) married in Thurmaston 1802
         
        John Hartopp (1803-)
         
        Thomas Hartopp (1804-1876)
         
        Sarah Hartopp (1806-1888) married Richard wheelband
         
        William Hartopp (1806-1823) died aged 17
         
        John Hartopp (1811-1874) married Ann Preston
         
        Ann Hartopp (1812-)
         
        James Hartopp (1815-1875) married Maria Dal
         
        Mary Hartopp (1817-1891)
         
        Elizabeth Hartopp (1820-)

My link with Eliza Hartopp 1853 of thirmaston she married Cornelius smith 1842-1935 she was his 3rd wife her father was John hartopp 1811-1874 mother Ann Preston

all together I have 4 Williams, are these any help

Ann {in Somerset}
         

Many thanks for the information, we have tried for 18months to try and sort this out and all we could find, my 4th great great grandfather was John Smith 1761-1846 who married Mary Harris , one of his sons william 1782 and his son Joesph William miles smith 1824-1904 went to Australia and had 10 children so there is a lot of smith familys over there {cousins x removed} who only link with William 1782 my link is with John Smiths other son John smith 1761.

Years ago we thought John Smith's {1761-1846} mother was william smith 1788 and sarah price 1732 and back 2 more genarations  then a David Smith in Hampshire informed me they where his line and said there where 2 john smiths in that year born
his was John Smith 1761-1826 but the 2 familys do join later when cousins married.
He told me to look for Johns Father Henery about 1730  so we looked and found Henery married an Elizabeth ?? we only got the name Fukes?? from IGI but no proof so could be any Elizabeth.
I have been doing my tree for 4 years now and boy it's not as easy as we think but thats why I always try and get proof.
I do belong to the thurmsaston family history but have never had the check to ask for their help.
There is a lot of my desendence in belgrave cematrey.
I have in my tree, Smith, harris, pole,breedon, Hall,bentley,KInton, mowbray, Derry, Vann etc all from up there {all on my fathers side
Oh I'm sorry I'm rambling on but it's great when someone can help as I always help out when people ask my advice {if I can}
Once more many many thanks
Ann nee Smith
{in Somerset}my grandfather broke the chain when he came to somerset as a dentist from Belgrave

 Oh lost last bit I typed it went off in cyber space, as I had said be very carfull with "Smith" and lots of them have the same christian name as well, I thought at one time the john smith 1761 {your line} and john 1761 {my Line} where 1 and the same and so tryed back on the wrong ancestry.

John Smith/ Ann ilston  their son william 1790-1869 married ann steans1790 they had 7 sons and 2 daughters . Two williams , first one 1810 died and the 5th son was names william 1820-1891 {Thurmaston Leicestershire}no more on him.

William and ann. son Thomas sept 1822 married Ann Redkin 1826-1887 they had 7 sons and 7 daughters their 3rd son was a william 1847 married Elizabeth/Eliza Headley 1853 they had 7 sons & 3 daughters, 2nd son was also William 1877 born belgrave leicestershire, no more on this william

This will give you something to go on

Ann

Hi , The 2 john smiths
1/ John Smith 1761-1824
2/ John Smith 1761-1849

John smith 1/ had 2 wives  first was Ann Iiston they had 2 sons and 5 daughters his 2nd wife was Elizabeth Willband they had 1 son & 1 daughter.
Johns Father/mother where Thomas smith 1707-1780 and wife was Thomasin Swan 1711-1749

John Smith 2/ had 1 wife mary harris they had 4 sons and 3 daughters
Johns father & Mother where Henry Smith & Elizabeth

So if you are from John and Ann you are not in the link leading up to Henry & Elizabeth

dose this help
Ann {in Somerset}nee Smith

Hi Richard, Yes that's correct Ann Smith 1836-1916 married Richard Pole 1835-1907
Ann's Mother was Martha Lumley 1819-1903 father Cornelius Smith 1813

Cornelius 1813 father was John Smith 1780- 1854 mother Anne Derry 1779-1852 their daughter was Ann Smith 1816-1879 who married Charles Kinton 1818-1899

John's Mother Mary Harris 1761-1841 father John Smith 1761-1846 {my 4th great grandparents on my fathers side}
they had 4 sons and 3 daughters

John Smith 1761 father was Henry Smith 1730 mother Elizabeth 1734-1798 they had 8 sons and 3 daughters  That's as far as I can go so far with Henry but have more on children.

John Smith 1780 his brother William Miles smith 1782 {we don't really know where the miles came from} married the 2 Derry sisters john married Anne Derry and William married Sarah Derry 1784-1849

Here is my direct line

Henry SMITH (1730 - )
is your 5th great grandfather
John SMITH (1761 - 1846)
Son of Henry
William Miles SMITH (1782 - )
Son of John
Henry SMITH (1817 - 1890)
Son of William Miles
Thomas Henry SMITH (1840 - 1902)
Son of Henry
Robert Graham SMITH (1863 - 1940)
Son of Thomas Henry
Robert Stuart SMITH (1893 - 1952)
Son of Robert Graham
Ann Caroline SMITH

Your William Pole1758-1811 who married Elizabeth Harris 1760-1836 where my 4th great grand aunt & uncle
Elizabeth's Father John Smith 1724-1808 wife Mary Hall 1720-1795 are my 5th great grandparents it was her sister Mary Harris 1761 who married John Smith 1761 and so on and so on
I have got to Thomas Pole 1840 and eliza black 1841 with 11 children but only one link with son Walter pole 1882 married Gertrude Alice Waldram who had son Walter Horace 1903 and daughter Minnie Gertrude 1905-1990 {my 5th cousin 1x removed} she married Philip Arthur Kenney 1901-1948 who had 2 daughters one Daughter {my 6th cousin} married a Marshall

Hope you understand all that

Will sign off now as I don't want to bore you to much LOL

Bye for now
Ann {in Somerset}