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Antrim / Re: Moore/Kirkpatrick of Ballywee
« on: Thursday 13 February 20 00:10 GMT (UK)  »
Actually I am lurking around, but I've been busy lately (building new house, moving into new house). I've only had time to get back into family history in the last few days, and I was looking at the Moores last night. There are records connecting the Moores to the Ritchies and the Warwicks (see http://www.dippam.ac.uk/ied/records/46589 and others), but I haven't been able to establish the exact relationship. I know who some of the people mentioned in that letter are (Cousin Mary who lived at Broomhill was my great grandmother), but many of the rest are a mystery (or at least vague). If mariab1 could send me the information that she has, I'll see if it fills in any gaps.

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Antrim / Re: Ligate/Liggat/Ligat/Liggett et al, Ballyrobin
« on: Monday 28 December 15 23:31 GMT (UK)  »
If only I could locate such a gravestone for my Johnston/Johnson forebears!

Thank you for the will calendar links - I see what you mean about the handwriting.

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Antrim / Re: Ligate/Liggat/Ligat/Liggett et al, Ballyrobin
« on: Monday 28 December 15 07:02 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you! That is just what I needed.

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Antrim / Ligate/Liggat/Ligat/Liggett et al, Ballyrobin
« on: Monday 28 December 15 05:58 GMT (UK)  »
I am the great-great grand daughter of James Johnston (abt 1797-1854) and Margaret Ligat (or Liggate or Liggett). James and Margaret married on May 12th 1834, and the marriage announcement in the Belfast Commercial Chronicle states " On the 12th instant, by the Rev. Robert Magill, Mr James Johnson, of Islandbawn, near Antrim, to Margaret, eldest daughter of the late James Ligat, Ballyrobin."

In 1838 the Rev. Robert Magill married Margaret's sister Ellen (or Eleanor, she seems to have been known by both names). She was his second wife, and the marriage announcement (Belfast Commercial Chronicle, June 18th 1838) said " On the 11th instant, by the Rev. Henry Cooke, D.D. LL.D., the Rev. Robert Magill, Antrim, to Ellen, second daughter of the late Mr. James Liggat, Ballyrobin, near Antrim."

Digging further into the records, Margaret and Ellen seem to have had two brothers: Abraham (born 1817), who was a presbyterian minister at Ballygilbert, and John (born 1821), who was involved in at least two court cases.

Abraham died in 1851, leaving a will which mentions his sisters, named as Margaret, Sarah, and Eleanor Magill. He also mentions his mother and his brother John, and an Uncle Alexander (resident in Lynchburg, Virginia).

John Liggett wound up in court in 1853 accused of "seducing" the daughter of a neighbour. In 1855 he was back in court, accused of so arranging his affairs as to appear insolvent and unable to pay the fine from the first case. There are several days of court reports available, from late July and early August 1855 (Owen O'Donnell vs Eleanor Liggat), as the courts attempted to determine who owned what. John's mother, Eleanor Liggat was the defendant in the second case, as the person in possession of a disputed farm. She was a widow in 1855, and stated that her husband had been dead for twenty years. There is some other detail of family members, which fits with what I have described above, except for one confusing statement made by one of the lawyers on August 1, 1855. The lawyer states that John's father was called Abraham Liggett, where I have been assuming that James Ligat was his father: "It was the property of Abraham Liggett, his father, and was left by him to another son, who, like a dutiful son, bequeathed it to his mother..." This does fit with the disposition of property in the Reverend Abraham Liggat's will - he did leave a farm to his mother, and he is mentioned in the court report as her deceased son.

My guess is that the lawyer made a mistake in his address. However, if anyone has any detail on this family - hopefully with better information than I have managed to extract from old newspapers - I would love to hear from you.


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Antrim / Re: Moore/Kirkpatrick of Ballywee
« on: Sunday 15 April 12 06:32 BST (UK)  »
Hi Pat

I have very little new information, I'm afraid.  Another researcher contacted me recently, and provided me with the following:

"Jane was born 1818 at Trench Co Antrim. (The 7th of 10 children)
Christened 11 September 1820 at Antrim in Millrow 1st Presbyterian Church by the Rev Alexander Montgomery.
 
The Trench is a place in the Townland of Craigarogan/Grange of Molusk (now called Mallusk) in the Parish of Templepatrick. Situated between the village of Craigarogan and Mallusk.
The time between birth and christening may indicate that one or both parents were members of the Millrow Church at some time or had a connection with the church and came from Antrim Town or the surrounding area ??.
 
JAMES MOORE died 21st March 1887 aged 69
Civil Reg. No: Antrim Jan Mar 1887 Vol 1 Page 14

Jane is in the 1901 Census at Ballymee (should be Ballywee) aged 82 with 3 children and 1 grand child.
 
Jane died about May 1908 at Ballywee or close by aged 88.
Civil Reg. No: Antrim Apr Jun 1908 Vol 1 Page 12"

Jane Kirkpatrick also appears as Kilpatrick in some records.  She and James had the following children:
James Moore 16 Apr 1843 Potterswall
Mary Moore 16 Aug 1844 Rathenraw
Ellen Moore Jan 1846 Rathenraw
Robert Moore 24 Jun 1849 Rathenraw
Jane Moore 2 May 1851 Potterswall
John Moore 5 Jul 1853 Ballywee
Margaret Jane Feb 1856 Ballywee
Elizabeth Moore 29 Jun 1858 Rathenraw
Isabella Moore 28 Jan 1860 Ballywee
Sarah Moore about 1864 (possibly, by inference from the Irish Immigration Database, which seems to be down at the moment).

I have not confirmed any of this.  All the children appear to have been christened in Antrim First Millrow Presbyterian.

I can find nothing further on James Moore senior at the moment.

regards

Melodie



Hi

I am also trying to find out information about this James Moore from Ballywee he may be my great great grandfather.  On my great grandfathers marriage certificate (1883) (also James Moore 1841-1929) it states his father was James Moore, farmer from east ballywee hence the query.  I have found no other information other than the will abstract.  I'd be grateful to hear of any information you find.

Best wishes
Pat

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Antrim / Re: Hill family of Larne, Hillmount and Ballymena
« on: Thursday 16 February 12 03:52 GMT (UK)  »
Capt. Jock

I am just in the process of transcribing the marriage records of 1st Donegore.  On July 4th 1843, George Hill of Whiteabbey married Rebecca Whittle of Kings Moss (I think that is what it says).  The witnesses were Jane Whittle and John Whittle.  Is this of any use to you? 

regards

Melodie

Capt. Paul,

Ah yes, navigating the HILLs of Antrim has worn down many a tough old sole ...

... but that just makes them flounder in to the shallows, or sink in to the depths, where they can be speared or dredged up easily!

So, if you promise to leave those nutcrackers on dry land, you are welcome to come aboard my dingy craft for an exciting sail through the lashing oceans (and some murky depths!), with a promise of a "good fishing" supper at the end ...

[N.B. I might have to leave you to paddle your own canoe up past those dangerous turbines (the foaming parts of the Main?) though!]

My fee: Any info you come across on George HILL of Whiteabbey, who married Margaret WHITTLE at Donegore 1st Pb in th 1840s.

Capt. Jock

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Antrim / Re: Moore/Kirkpatrick of Ballywee
« on: Sunday 15 January 12 18:46 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Steve

Thanks for that clue, I'll see what I can make of it

regards

Melodie

Hi Melodien

First Thank you for your bit on getting them transcribe.....will be a godsend for people like myself that struggle to see.

I have one to add to Capt J

Eliza Kirkpatrick of Parkgate married William McConnell of Duramsland Jan 1832.

so a Kirkpatrick family were at Parkgate at that date

intresting information about twins....... I was beginning to think it was the water in the area   ::)

Happy hunting
Steve

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Antrim / Re: Moore/Kirkpatrick of Ballywee
« on: Sunday 15 January 12 04:28 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Captain Jock

I'm the person responsible for getting the 1st Donegore Pb baptismal records transcribed.  The marriage records are being transcribed at the moment, and should be finished in early February (assuming that all goes to plan). I have some facilities available at the moment to get this type of work performed, so if you know of any other church that has photos of its records, but doesn't have them transcribed, please let me know.  My rules are simple: I get the transcription completed and proof read, and then the transcription goes back to the church, and remains in their control. I do not send copies to anyone else.

I know of that Mary Jane Moore - her father Robert was the brother of the James I am interested in - the Moores seem to have been a prolific lot, and some of them were baptised in Antrim First (Millrow) Presbyterian. I'm going to enquire about getting access to the records of that church - I believe that they have been transcribed already.

Thanks for your efforts.

regards

Melodie

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Antrim / Re: Moore/Kirkpatrick of Ballywee
« on: Sunday 15 January 12 04:15 GMT (UK)  »
Ballywee occurs in two parishes in Antrim, one of them is in Kilbride parish.

regards

Melodie

Seems to be more than one Ballywee, then  :)

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