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Caernarvonshire Lookup Requests / Re: Census check
« on: Monday 30 April 18 13:30 BST (UK)  »
Huw,  So Lady Margaret and Rev John Owen Criccieth would have been cousins (second cousins?) on the Hughes Derwin Fawr side.
Plot thickens.  I have children of Derwin Fawr as:
1. Catherine Hughes b 1808.  Md Evan JONES
2. Elizabeth (1811-1881).  Md Richard HUMPHREYS (1798-1885) as his second wife (first died young).  One of their sons (Thomas H HUMPHREYS) md Jane OWEN of Gwyndy - one of sisters of Rev John Owen Criccieth (1849-1917).
3. Jane (1814-1895).  Md celebrated CM preacher and scientific farmer Rev John Owen, Ty'n Llwyn.  They had 3 boys and 3 girls - Rev John Owen of Criccieth was their youngest son - not ONLY son as stated in Welsh biography. 
4. Owen (b c 1820)
5. Thomas Derwen Fawr (1821-1893)
6. Humphrey (b1826).  Was helping brother Thomas with Derwi(e)n Fawr farm in early census.

Such talented families - connecting so many lines in Eifionydd.  Liberals and CM in main.  It was my f-i-l's family and his mother Elizabeth Owen 1879-1967 (one of granddaughters of Rev John Owen Ty'n Llwyn and Jane Hughes Derwin Fawr) was put through Bangor University in about 1900 by her childless uncle (Rev John Owen Criccieth) and got an MA.  She was then appointed English teacher in Holywell Grammar School and, before age of 30, was Headmaster/mistress.  Very unusual for a woman in those days.  Despite marrying in her 30's, she later became mother to 5 children between 1913 and 1921.

Getting my interest in family history going again, Huw.  Diolch yn fawr.  Lewis

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Caernarvonshire Lookup Requests / Re: Census check
« on: Sunday 29 April 18 21:26 BST (UK)  »
Many thanks, Huwcyn.  Diolch yn fawr iawn.
Cannot see connection, and no wonder if it is just that Maggie Ll-G and Rev John Owen Criccieth were fond of each other and John Owen and his wife were friends with them both (particularly Margaret or Maggie) till they died.  Probably same chapel, same friends and photos of Rev John at LL G's Llanystumdwy residence (probably about 1900)
Am nearly 72 and have done no family history for some time.  But will get back to it in 3 years when I should have finished my present job and finally retire.  Also, am not currently subscribing to any on-site web sites.
What I have got on my Genes Reunited tree is that Rev John Owen Ty'n Llwyn, Pentir (1807-1876) was born in Gwyndy (probably not Gwindy), Llanfihangel y Pennant and died at Pen-y-berth farm (which was home of bombing school in WW2).  He married Jane Hughes (1814-1895), daughter of Thomas Hughes (1778-1847), farmer of Derwin Fawr, Clynnog.
Rev John Owen Ty'n Llwyn was the son of William Owen (1764-1847), of Gwyndy, Ll-y-Pennant.  Mother of John Owen was Margaret Jones (1778-1846), the niece of Sunday School pioneer Robert Jones, Rhoslan.
Father of Wm Owen and therefore grandfather of Rev John Owen was Owen Thomas (1729-1816) of Tyddyn y llan in Llangybi.  Patronymics!!!
I note that Richard Owen, father of Lady M Ll-J, claimed he descended from Owain Gwynedd, one of 12th C princes of Wales.  That has also always been claimed by John Owen's family.  But it is through the Humphreys of Nantcyll and they are listed on the Pedigrees of Anglesey and Caernarvon - I have it somewhere.
Owens and Humphreys kept inter-marrying in that area.  And they were close in 19th and 20th centuries.  Mostly CM, mostly farmers and preachers, mostly very well-educated and many buried in CM Cemetery at Tai Duon (above main road between Porthmadog and Caernarfon, from memory).
Best wishes, pob hwyl
Lewis

ps Many thanks to Wendy 46.  You are very kind.

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Caernarvonshire Lookup Requests / Re: Census check
« on: Sunday 29 April 18 13:32 BST (UK)  »
Just looked at census in 1871 for Mynydd Ednyfed Farm in Criccieth, the farm of Richard and Mary Owen (aged 46 and 42).  Their only child - a little girl, Maggie aged 6 -  became Mrs David Lloyd-George (1864-1941).
The family on my own tree is that of Rev John Owen, Ty'n Llwyn (1807-1876) and I am sure there is a close family association between "Maggie's" father Richard Owen (46 on 1871 census ie b c 1825) and John Owen Ty'n Llwyn.  I thought they may be brothers, but the 18 years between them seems to disprove that theory.  Also, Richard was born Dolbenmaen according to 71 census, whereas John O Ty'n Llwyn was born at Gwyndy farmhouse, Llecheiddior.
The youngest of John O's three sons, Rev John Owen Criccieth (1849-1917), apparently proposed unsuccessfully to Maggie a few months before her marriage to Lloyd George.  And John Owen jnr then jointly presided over their marriage in Pencaenewydd CM Chapel with Lloyd-George's Baptist step-father Richard Lloyd. 
Be very pleased if anyone can throw more light on these connections.  Mainly farming families in Eifionydd, mainly CM.  Farm valuers, experts in Welsh Blacks and scientific farming.

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Staffordshire / Re: Simkiss/Humphreyson/Rowley/Tolley - Pattingham
« on: Sunday 23 January 11 23:28 GMT (UK)  »
Fascinating to read all these posts.  I wonder if anyone can help with a query.  3 brothers in my family lived in The Clive, Pattingham and all 3 moved to West Bromwich as young men about 1650.  Why?

Their parents had died and I always assumed it was the Legge family at Patshull who also owned land in West Bromwich and Legges asked them to go over there to work for them.  They were nailers, buckle makers and also had a bit of land in WB.

But I have just spotted that the Legges did not come to Pattingham till 19th century when they bought estate off the Pigots who bought it off Astleys in 1765. 

So back to Square One.  Can anybody suggest a link between Pattingham and West Bromwich in about 1650? ???

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Staffordshire / Re: Bradmore wolverhampton, Gunmakers and Church Road
« on: Sunday 23 January 11 23:17 GMT (UK)  »
Enjoyed reading through all posts last night and was fascinated.  Brought a lot back.  Lived in Bradmore in 1950's - grandfather lived at 111 Broad Lane, me and parents in Highlands Road round corner.  Remember Mrs Taylor in paper shop telling my mother she was far to old to become a newsagent at 45 - yet mum bought a shop in Leamore and we did ok.   Remember shops like Cookery Nook and the offy on corner of Star St.  And the old lady (very old and very small, she seemed) in the post office with her giant son.

I think lovely Milly Tromans had a shop near post office, but that may have been after we left Bradmore in about 1961. 

And we used to walk to school at Warstones past a ramshackle farm - and we would call the farmer Brandy Balls and tease him.

Our fruit & veg was brought round every week by a Mr Wainwright on a big and ancient van.  Anyone remember him?

Never thought I would reach my anecdotage, but it is quite good fun remembering all these things :)

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