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Kildare / Re: Curragh Camp. Regiments
« on: Sunday 15 July 12 07:40 BST (UK)  »
Hello,
I am Denis Creighton who posted the original message on the 10th-my g-grandfather Alfred Aarchibald Creighton served therein.
The ships were the HMS Vulcan and HMS Urgent.
I originally found the North Lincoln Sphinx at the War Museum library Johannesburg.  However you can also find it on google books.  I googled North Lincoln Sphinx and found a number of options.  It is an amazing record of the regiment whilst in the Cape-I even found a record of a cricket match my ancestor (then a corporal) played in Greahamstown on 18th Dec 1861.  Unfortunately I havnt printed or ordered a full copy yet.  Creighton left the regiment on 10th July 1863, having married Sarah Elizabeth Clarke,the daughter (aged 16) of a fellow sergeant but in the 6th Regiment-it seems she may have been expecting at the time!!!
The 10th were spread around the colony during the time they were based in the Cape (there were no frontier wars on the go during their stay) and Creighton was based in Grahamstown, Fort Beaufort and Keiskamashoek amonst other places.
My records dont feature a Grimes but you may have more luck if he is featured in the Sphinx.
I wonder if you  or anyone can help me with my other ancestor the above mentioned Thomas Clarke who married Elizabeth Morris but I havent beenm able to locate their marriage record.  He spent most of his life in the 6th regiment as his father also served in the 6th before him and Thomas jnr was born in Grahamstown in 1822 and joined the 6th as a boy aged 14 in Bombay ( I d have the military files for both Thomas Clarkes).  As their daughter was born in 1846 and christened in Chester I think they may have married in Chester or Ireland where the regiment was based-no Curragh but various places including Mullingar.  This is likely to have been in 1844 to 1846 the regiment having been relocated to the cape again in august 1846.
Hope to keep in touch
Denis


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Lancashire Lookup Requests / Re: Parish Records - Preston & Blackburn
« on: Saturday 16 July 11 18:23 BST (UK)  »
Hi Les,
Hope you got my reply.  This is definately the same family.  Your grandfather Leslie was my uncle as he was my fathers second brother.  The eldest brother Vernon was killed at the Battle of Butte de Warlen Court.  I found a most interesting and moving article published int he South African military journal quoting from a diary maintained by one of Vernons comrades even desribing the moment they "went over the top" and Vernon was not seen again.
I have been able to gather a huge amount of information on the Creighton family as well as the other branches the Dalls going back to the 1400's and including a Rev Robert who was a travelling preacher of John Wesley the founder of Methodism.  Roberts grandson Dr. James Kayll Dall came to the Cape with his huge family and one of his daughers Emily Frances married into the Creighton family in Fort Beaufort.
The first Creighton to come to South Africa was Alfred Archibald Creighton who came over in 1861 with the10th foot regiment.  He married Sarah Elizabeth Clarke in Fort Beaufort in 1863 and they had a child Thomas Alfred William Creighton who was the father of your Leslie and my father Reginald Kayll Creighton.
The Clarkes the other major branch of the family were also Military people.  The father of Sarah Elizabeth Clarke, Thomas Clarke, was born in Grahamstown in 1823 to Thomas Clarke a private in the 6th Regiment.  The regiment moved to Bombay in 1826 and Thomas jnr joined hte same regiment as a "boy" in 1837.  He stayed with the regiment until about 1857 after a successful career rising to colour sergeant and having fought in the 7th and 8th frontier wars.  When he retired from the military he joined the civil service living in Fort Beaufort where he became chief constable.
I have a huge amount of material on all these branches in South Africa and England and Scotland.
I look forward to sharing with you and others who may be connected.
Denis Creighton

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Kildare / Re: Curragh Camp. Regiments
« on: Thursday 27 January 11 16:38 GMT (UK)  »
Hi, I also have an ancestor who was in the 10th Foot or Linconlnshire regiment.  He was Alfred Archibald Creighton.  I had discovered that he married a Sarah Elizabeth Clarke in Fort Beaufort in the Cape Colony on 27th March 1863.  He gave his rank as Sergeant in the 10th Regiment in the marriage papers.  (both of them seemed to have originated in the Lancashire area of England).
I was today searching in the S A War Museum in Saxonwold Johannesburg South Africa and came across a book being a collection of regimental periodicals of the Second Battalion 10th North Lincolnshire Regiment entitled the North Lincoln Sphinx.  Apparantly they ran the periodical during the stay in the Colony from January 1860 to departure after december 1862 to India.  It comprised articles, poems etc from the officers and men as well as reports on drama and sport etc.  It also gives a unique insight into life in the military in the colony.  It is very interesting indeed.  It also covers the departure from Curragh Camp.
I was amazed to find a report on a cricket match played between two companies and the name of my second great grandfather in the match report (he was run out for 0 in first innings and bowled for 2 in second!!).  He was a corporal at that stage.
I noted that the batallion sailed in two ships-the HMS Vulcan leaving on8/12/1859 and the HMS Urgent on 11/1/1860.  The Vulcan apparantly was nearly shipwrecked on the way.  The regiment landed at Algoa Bay (now Port Elizabeth) and moved to Grahamstown in January 1860 and then Keiskammahoek.  Elements were also stationed around the frontier area in various post aparantly.  According to the notes the batallion embarked for India after december 1862 but when they exactly left I cannot say. 
Perhaps they were replaced later by the 1st Batallion.  My ancestor was aparanlty still with the 10th in march 1863.
I hope this will fill some blanks and that someone can add to my knowledge.  I dont know how widely the book is available but I could always check it if anyone wants some specific details of an ancestor who may have been with the regiment in the Cape
Denis

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Lancashire Lookup Requests / Re: Parish Records - Preston & Blackburn
« on: Saturday 15 January 11 16:17 GMT (UK)  »
Hello, I am a new member from South Africa.  I am a descendant of the Dalls and can add the following if you are still searching. As stated John Wesley Dall (son of Robert Dall an early methodist preacher and Margaret Kayll) married Elizabeth Banning.  They had a son James Kayll Dall (amongst other children)who married Margaret Holme Slater in dec 1853.  They had 11 children.  The family moved to the Cape Colony in 1875 where James became head master of the Graaff Reinet college.  They later moved to Fort Beaufort.  One of their daughters Emily Francis married a Thomas Alfred William Creighton (Son of Alfred Archibald Creighton and Sarah Elizabeth Clarke).  One of their sons Reginald was my father.  The Creightons originated in Scotland and moved to Lancashire where the Clarkes seem to have originated. (I am still trying to trace this branch.
I have quite a lot of other information.
Hope to hear from you.
Denis

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