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Hello. My username is Lolly Willowes but I am a Davies. Yes, we do seem to have Jacob in common. My grandfather Herbert Jacob was son of Jacob 1829-1912,  who was the son of Jacob 1829-1897.
I haven't been on rootschat or done much family history for a while but I have quite a lot of detail about Jacob (some from asylum records) which I'd be happy to share.
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How interesting! Jacob is my gggfather too. My ggfather was Jacob’s son Jacob. Which line do you come through?

I hadn’t continued looking for father John & was surprised to get your message - especially with the different father’s name... but we may have been at cross-purposes. You gave father’s name Jacob in your list, then mentioned John. My Jacob is definitely son of John, & other things did fit when I looked up the other children’s names that you sent me.
As you’ll have seen from my rootschat correspondence of a couple of years ago, I didn’t get any further with John & Mary Davies. But I’m pleased now to have some siblings as well as Isabella.
I have now found
Louisa  4 Aug 1822 Newbridge Chirk parish father JOHN mother Mary  labourer
Obadiah 17 Oct 1824 parents JOHN & Mary Penyclawd, Chirk  brickmaker
Mary Anne 18 Feb 1827 father JOHN & Mary Acrefair brickmaker - so it very much looks like these are my Jacob’s missing family.(However, I didn’t find a William Walter or a William or a Walter with John/Jacob & Mary around 1823 & didn’t find Isabella (or Belafina) 1836/8) What was your source for these? (I used findmypast which isn't always reliable.)

I found out about the Lunatic Asylum via Flint Parish burials: 12 August 1897 age 72.
Then death cert. -  7 August at Lunatic Asylum Denbigh  “cerebral haemorrhage 2 days exhaustion”. He is described as Brickmaker of Ffynnon groew, Holywell (which is where his son John William was living). He is buried in Northop Road cemetery, Flint.
I’ve seen the asylum records at  the County Record Offices in Ruthin & Bristol. He was admitted in 1891, transferred to Bristol Asylum from 92-5 then back to Denbigh.
Do let me know which of Jacob's children you are descended from.
Best wishes & thanks again.

That's so helpful! Thank you very much.

Certificates: Albert born 1865 Ponkey parents Jacob + Mary formerly Wright. So that's OK.  But the Liverpool marriage at St Peter's is dubious, probably wrong. Although the fathers' names match, both are described as labourers and Jacob Davies is a mariner. Both he and Mary are living in Vauxhall Road, which is near the docks. Jacob signed with his mark, which seems unlikely given his business and other activities. The witnesses don't have family names. So we're back to the mystery of their marriage, I think.

Looking through the Wrexham Advertiser has proved very useful. John Davies married Elizabeth Davies - hence Albert in 1881 living with John in Kearsley could indeed be a brother in law. I've also found the marriage of Mary Anne in 1875 (who was missing from both family addresses in 1871). There are other interesting bits of social history involving Jacob, so he's really come alive for me. I've sent for various certificates to try to clear up remaining puzzles.
Just 1 query: are you saying that Mary definitely ISN'T the one first discussed (ie the Blackwell index one posted by despair 26 October)? and that she's more likely daughter of Edward Wright butcher (gnu posted 27 Oct)? - I wasn't clear what you were saying about the IGI.
Thanks again for opening this up for me.