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London and Middlesex / Re: John and William Leach
« on: Sunday 19 January 25 16:45 GMT (UK)  »
WOW! I've been away for a couple of days and have just read all of these amazing replies and finds. I cannot thank you all enough!

It's going to take a while to go through everything you've found to see if and where it fits but I definitely think the Charles street address isn't a coincidence. I already had the baptism of Louisa Ann in 1840 as well as baptisms of other children of John and Louisa and this fits in with their movements. They did seem to move every few years but sometimes only moving a few streets away. I have found other Leach's in and around the same areas and some of the other names mentioned here ones I've found and previously added to my tree but then removed because I then found I had them linked to the wrong person. It's looking more and more like they should be in the tree but connected to a different William or John. There is also definitely more than one William Leach working as harness maker in the St. Pancras (ish) area and I suspect that neither person has a complete set of records which is why its so easy to get them mixed up and might also explain why they seem to move around so much.

Phew, gonna need to go through this with a fine tooth comb! Thanks again everyone.

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London and Middlesex / Re: John and William Leach
« on: Friday 17 January 25 17:10 GMT (UK)  »
Yes I've found various William Leach's that vaguely match for either expected age or location but have occupations like Butcher, Omnibus Driver etc but nothing for a Harness Maker or similar.

The 1834 marriage banns doesn't even mention the fathers name. It's only the marriage in 1866 that does.

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London and Middlesex / John and William Leach
« on: Thursday 16 January 25 17:10 GMT (UK)  »
Having just broken through a wall with this branch of my tree thanks to the amazing help of these forums, I'm hoping someone might be able to help with this wall.

Thanks to the help received in my recent post, I now have the correct information for my 3xGG John Leach. Unfortunately I had the wrong baptism for him and therefore the wrong father and this meant I had to chop out 3 further generations.

I now know that John Leach was a harness maker born c1815 probably in Middlesex (the 1851 census says this and the 1841 census just says of this county and he's missing from the 1861 census). He is married twice. His first marriage was in 1834 to a Louisa Spencer in Shoreditch. The marriage banns I have found don't mention the fathers name or occupation. The second marriage was to Elizabeth Nuttall in 1866 in Islington and the marriage banns say that his father was William Leach who was also a Harness Maker. So far this is the only information I have on this father. John dies in 1867 and is buried in an unmarked grave in Highgate Cemetery. He appears to have lived his whole life around the St.Pancras/Islington area but maybe the fact his first marriage was in Shoreditch means he lived there before?

William Leach is, so far a mystery. There is a William Warren Leach also buried in Highgate Cemetery not too far from John, also in an unmarked grave who appears to be of the right age. He was buried 1865 at the age of 76 and so would have been born c1789. However, whilst this William appears to have lived in the same areas, he was a tailor and not a harness maker and had a son named William Henry Leach.

I cannot find a baptism for John Leach with the fathers name of William Leach around 1815 anywhere that seems likely. Nor can I find any other documents for John that mention his father or mothers name. I cannot find John on the 1861 census and I've search for William on the 1841, 1851, 1861 and 1871 Census pretty much all over London looking for one that gives his occupation as Harness Maker or Saddler etc but have drawn blanks.

Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated.

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London and Middlesex / Re: John Leach & Louisa Spencer
« on: Wednesday 15 January 25 16:30 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: rosie99 on Wednesday 15 January 25 16:15 GMT (UK)
He remarried Elizabeth Nuttall in 1866 - Image on Ancestry
His father William Leach occ Harness Maker
Elizabeth was a widow

Aha! Excellent, thank you so much. Well that means the baptism I have for him is wrong as I thought his parents were Samual and Hannah Ann Tyler. Unfortunately that means that the next 4 generations I have is also wrong. LOL. Oh well, it's not the first time I've had to cut off entire limbs from the tree and it won't be the last.

Really appreciate the help.

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London and Middlesex / Re: John Leach & Louisa Spencer
« on: Wednesday 15 January 25 15:48 GMT (UK)  »
Probate was 28/03/1867. It gives his address as 6 Middlesex Street, Somers Town and says that Elizabeth is the widow and also lives at the same address and is the sole executrix.

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London and Middlesex / Re: John Leach & Louisa Spencer
« on: Wednesday 15 January 25 15:20 GMT (UK)  »
Hmm, things have gotten more complicated.

The death certificate for John Leach confirms he was a harness maker, which I know to be correct. It gives an address which, whilst the street is not one I've seen before, is in the area of Somers Town, St. Pancras and I know he moved around a lot within that area and Shoreditch. It gives his age as 52 meaning he was born 1814/15 (he died 09/03/1867) and this matches ages recorded on the 1841 and 1851 census. However, the only baptism I could find for him was in 1816 and gives his d.o.b. as 11/08/1816 (baptised 22/09/1816). It's quite possible the baptism is wrong but the church was where he got married which is why I thought it might be the one.

Anyway, I've just found his probate record. This confirms the date of death and the address that is on the death certificate. However, it says his wife is Elizabeth not Louisa. Louisa was still alive at the time of John's death and when she dies it says on her death certificate that she was the wife of John Foster, Harness Maker. I cannot find another marriage for John to an Elizabeth in a time frame that would match or one where his occupation matches.

What makes it more confusing is that one of his children, my 3xGG, was also called John Leach (lets call him Junior) and he too was a harness maker but he moved south of the river to Newington and later, Camberwell. His baptism says his parents were John and Louisa and that his father was a harness maker. His address is given as Rodney Street which is just up the road from Kings Cross.

So I know Junior lived near Kings Cross, his parents where John and Louisa and John was a harness maker. I've got John and Louisa on the 1841 and 1851 census with their 5 children all of whoms baptisms confirm the parents names and occupations and show the family moved around the Kings Cross area a fair bit.

The death certificate matches name, occupation, age (according to the census) but doesn't mention the wife's name. Just says that the informer is a Matilda Akers who isn't someone I know of in the tree. But the probate record, which matches the date and address of the death certificate, gives a different name for his wife????

I know that the name John Leach isn't rare and there would have been loads of harness makers living and working in that area but could there really be two John Leaches of the same age living in the same area, doing the same job but married to different people and only one, the one married to Louisa, shows up on any Census and yet both disappear from the 1861 census???

I can't work out which info is wrong. If the death certificate is wrong then why isn't there census, marriage or baptism records for john and Elizabeth. If the death certificate is correct then who is Elizabeth?

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London and Middlesex / Re: John Leach & Louisa Spencer
« on: Tuesday 14 January 25 16:22 GMT (UK)  »
The address on the death certificate is 2 Westow Street, Camden Town. I wonder if that would have fallen under Islington East, which I see from your link is missing?

Thank you for the link BTW. That's very useful. I didn't realise so much had been lost.

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London and Middlesex / Re: John Leach & Louisa Spencer
« on: Tuesday 14 January 25 16:10 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: rosie99 on Tuesday 14 January 25 16:06 GMT (UK)
Have you eliminated this one
Death
LEACH, LOUISA    age   53 
GRO Reference: 1865  March Quarter in PANCRAS  Volume 01B  Page 111

Thank you for this. Literally just found this as you posted and have ordered the digital image from GRO and it is 100% her. It says she was the wife of John Leach a Harness Maker.

At least I can definitely say when she died. Odd that I cannot find either on the 1861 census. I'm guessing it's been mistranscribed or something.

Thank you both for your help.

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London and Middlesex / Re: John Leach & Louisa Spencer
« on: Tuesday 14 January 25 15:57 GMT (UK)  »
I don't think the Louisa in the Union Home, Fetcham is the same person as that Louisa was born in Fetcham and looks like she was married to a Stephen Leach.

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