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Cornwall / Re: Multiple Deaths 1820 Torpoint/Antony/Plymouth
« on: Wednesday 06 April 11 04:48 BST (UK)  »
John and Richard Hoskyn. I only have wills so no record of how they died. I think we are unlikely to find that. I am looking thus as a start at epidemics.

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Cornwall / Multiple Deaths 1820 Torpoint/Antony/Plymouth
« on: Wednesday 06 April 11 04:02 BST (UK)  »
Two of my ancestors died in the month of May 1820 in or around Torpoint. Seems a little odd. They were father and son. One was 84 so no surprise there but the other was in  his prime.

I am wondering if anyone knows of an epidemic or any other likely cause of death for time and place?

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Cornwall / Re: HOSKYN Burial Request
« on: Wednesday 02 February 11 06:18 GMT (UK)  »
My reply must be without many references as I am in China and it is Chinese New Year and I am about to go into a village far from anywhere. It is hence from memory and sorry a little messy in its writting.

Most of the facts come from the OPC Database, the National Archives, historical books and family oral history. Sometimes these show a slight clash. For example the spelling of Hoskyn. I am convinced that in the early 17th century it was spelt a number of ways by the same people. Books attest my later ancestors came from St Enoder to Launceston area and Egloskerry, but they are traced through both "Hocken", "Hoskyn", "Hosken" and "Hoskin". I believe the Stephen son of Stephen in Egloskerry that you referenced who died an infant was the "Stephen Hawkin" who died weeks later." I in my searches have found other matters like this. Once instance I can't call up now but the father was Hawkin or Hocken and the child was Hoskyn. That is not to say that every Hawkin, Hosken, Hoskin and Hoskyn is related. I just think long ago things got a little confused.

Anyhow here is what I have on Stephen Hoskyn.

Born 1655 to a yeoman in St Enoder. Had a younger brother called John.

Went to Launceston Grammar School (founded 1409).

After grammar school didn't return to St Enoder but went to Egloskerry where his uncle and aunt lived. This is where the record gets a little fuzzy. Robert was born in St Enoder as Robert Hocken and in Egloskerry is also Robert Hocken. Stephen's father was Stephen Hocken but Stephen in Egloskerry is Stephen Hoskyn.

In 1673 at the age of eighteen Stephen Hoskyn is found in the legal record doing 100 pounds worth of business with another gentleman. Called a gentleman at this time.

1678 married into the Ley family of Egloskerry (Thomasine Ley). Thomasine has been dear to the family ever since with my grandmother being named after her. Not sure of her appeal but it seems everyone remembers her to this day.

1679 Stephen's brother John married another of the Ley daughters (Katherine Ley). Stephen bought out Katherine's inheritance before the wedding for 184 pounds.

Stephen took over the Ley family home at some point about the time he was married. It is now the Hole Farm House in Egloskerry (Grade II listed building). The family stayed in the house for four generations abouts.

Thomasine died 1689 and about 1691/92 Stephen married Joan/Jane (depending on who you listen to) but you are write - there is no record of their wedding. I heard somewhere that a gentleman for a certain price could have it struck from the record - possibly in cases where it was a second wife or if the woman was already pregnant. Not sure of the law/custom or if this applies. Just a thought.

Stephen had more children with Joan.

Stephen's eldest son Peter returned to St Enoder when he came of age. Later married Grace Hoskyn of St Issey and gave Stephen grandchildren.

The last record of Stephen's life was in 1736 when he was in his eighties. His granddaughter had married a merchant Caleb Cotton of Fowey and Stephen Hoskyn along with a partner backed one of Cotton's mortgages for 300 pounds in 1624. The mortgage was released in 1736 and a few years later the property was sold to the Rashleigh family.

There is no record of his death. I would love to find it.

Anyhow, his eldest son Peter had William who in turn had John (? memory), who moved to Antony/Torpoint and had Richard. Richard's son John married into the Loney family there. Peter Loney was an officer in the RN and his biography is online. His son Nicholas Loney was the Consul (I forget the term as I have to run) of the Phillipines for a time. Richard Hoskyn's son John married Peter Ley's Elizabeth. John's children with Elizabeth then either joined the Royal Navy as well (Robert rose to rank of Rear Admiral) or went to do business in the Phillipines. Robert's son was in the merchant navy and after WWI moved to New Zealand where my family is from - though I now live in China. 

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Cornwall / Re: 1664 Hearth Tax & Protestation Oath Accuracy.
« on: Sunday 16 January 11 12:42 GMT (UK)  »
They you very much for your reply. That is very interesting about the will. Unfortunately I live in China but that will be top of my wish list one day when I am out of the country.

Are there scanned originals of the hearth tax anywhere online or only through different record offices? Just wondering. I would feel it cheating to relegate this to mistakes and blank parts.

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Cornwall / 1664 Hearth Tax & Protestation Oath Accuracy.
« on: Sunday 16 January 11 00:44 GMT (UK)  »
I have been using the 1664 Hearth Tax from the OPC website for a lot of my research.

As an example St Enoder has 79 entries. I always assumed the parish to be larger than this. Are they complete?

Another nagging problem is an individual who has children in the parish and the National Archives has all sorts of records on his life, calling him a blacksmith etc... and owning land so must have had a house no matter how small, but the closest name in the Hearth Tax is Stephen Bosking (From Stephen Hoskyn) and he only has one hearth - but surely a blacksmith would need more than one hearth? Surely he would need two at a minimum. Otherwise he is just not there.

Similar problem with the Protestation Oath. No Hoskyn to be found, but they are all giving birth and marrying in the parish.

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Cornwall / Closes and Tenements
« on: Thursday 06 January 11 12:11 GMT (UK)  »
I have been looking through old records and I found two terms I cannot get a satisfactory definition for. I believe that others here may know.

Closes (in terms of land.
Tenement.

For closes I understand they are fields enclosed by hedges or fences. I assume though from how often they are used in legal documents that there must be a unit attached to this - one acre?

For tenement I understand the modern definition but in the Cornish countryside what would one of these look like? Do any survive today from the 17th century? How many people could live in them?

Thank you all in advance.

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Cornwall / HOSKYN Burial Request
« on: Monday 03 January 11 08:28 GMT (UK)  »
I have two Hoskyns I am researching of interest.

Both are called Stephen Hoskyn. One was a blacksmith in St Enoder. One was his son born in 1655 in St Enoder then became a gentleman in Egloskerry. A story in itself for another day.

It would help a lot in rounding out their stories if I knew when both were buried. Who can help me or tell me where to look? In China lots of stuff is blocked or I dont have access. Thanks in advance.

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