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Free Photo Restoration & Date Old Photographs / Re: Help DATING photos, please - COMPLETED
« on: Wednesday 16 February 11 20:47 GMT (UK)  »
Jim, China.  Thanks for all of your really valuable discussions and conclusions.  I’ve been doing a bit of detective work based on my family tree and the dates you have recommended for these photos.

Looking at the ages of the children, and the dates of the photos, it would be a real stretch to try to get them to fit my great-grandparents, George & Janet.  The family photo in particular, doesn’t fit with the ages of the children.

However, George’s older brother, William Wightman and his family fit the dates perfectly.  They had 5 children, with the youngest being born in 1897.  If the family photo is 1896, the other 4 children would be aged 13, 11 (girl), 7 and 5.  The parents would be 42 (William) and 38 (Jemima).

In the 1891 & 1901 census, they are living just around the corner from the Brighton Grove studio where the photo was taken.

William and my great-grandfather set up their own bootmakers shop, so must have been fairly close.  I imagine that William and his wife had portraits made when they married in 1882 and probably gave a set to my great-grandparents – which is how I’ve got the paintings now.

It’s disappointing to realise that the portraits are not my great-grandparents, but it’s good to be able to put some names to the photos with a certain degree of confidence.  Thanks once again for your great input,

Ian

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Free Photo Restoration & Date Old Photographs / Re: Help DATING photos, please
« on: Sunday 13 February 11 23:16 GMT (UK)  »
This is certainly helping to narrow down the possible options here.  I’ve got one more photo which I think is linked with the same people as these photos.  I was going to add it in a different post, but think it probably fits better alongside these photos, if they are linked.

The picture below shows a family group.  I’m pretty convinced the man here is the same as in the photos above, just a few years older.  If so, then this is also Janet a few years older, but looking rounder in the face.  Any thoughts on the date?  I’m interested to see if it fits with the ages of George & Janet’s children.

Thanks for all of your help,

Ian

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Free Photo Restoration & Date Old Photographs / Re: Help DATING photos, please
« on: Sunday 13 February 11 20:33 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Jim,

I think the portrait of Janet was probably reversed so that the two portraits faced each other.  Judging by the discolouration round the edges of the portraits, they were both in frames with oval borders.

This is the back of George's photo - another A&G Taylor print.

Ian

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Free Photo Restoration & Date Old Photographs / Re: Help DATING photos, please
« on: Sunday 13 February 11 14:34 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks for everyone’s comments and suggestions.  It makes this puzzle more interesting!

As background to these photos – I inherited a family bible belonging to my great grandparents, George and Janet Wightman, both born in 1857.  They have written a number of family birth, marriages, deaths in it, and included a lot of photographs.  Also in the bible was an original of their marriage certificate from 1878 and two portrait paintings which I’ve added below.  My assumption was that the portraits were of my great-grandparents (although it’s possible that they were given to them by someone else).  The two portraits are not in the best of condition, and I’ve been told that this is because they were painted directly onto photographs.  The chemicals in the photos and in the paint are now reacting, and deteriorating.

As they were painted on photographs, I was able to look through all of the photographs I had to see if any matched the two portraits.  Only two were similar.  The first one in the original post above, which I assume is Janet, and the one below, which I assume is George (it’s not a great match, but no other photograph in the set is even close to the portrait image).  The back of George’s photo is similar to the other photos with an MIP “” code.

So the 1879-1880 dates for the photos suggest that these two photos (and the portraits) were taken shortly after their marriage, and they are both around 22 to 23 years old.  I think that fits the photos.

I had wondered if the older woman was also Janet, mainly due to the same jewellery and somewhat similar looks.  But if this photo was taken around the same time as the others, then I agree with the comments above, it’s probably a relative.

Janet’s mother was born in 1824 which would make her 55 in 1879.  I think the older woman in the photo is therefore unlikely to be her.  Janet had an older sister, Lydia, born in 1852.  So she would be 27 in 1879, and a possible candidate.

I've got a family portrait which might show Janet and George at a later time with 4 of their children, which I'll post later.

Ian

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Free Photo Restoration & Date Old Photographs / Re: Help DATING photos, please
« on: Friday 11 February 11 16:53 GMT (UK)  »
...and this is the second photo.

Is this the same person, but older??  Any help welcome.

Ian

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Amongst the old photos I have inherited is a one that I believe is of my great-grandmother, born in 1857.  This is it, showing the front and back of the photo.  I have another photo which I think could be of the same person, but taken a number of years later.  I'll add that photo separately to this post (as I can't seem to attach more than two images). Both are wearing the same necklace and earrings, and look similar.

I’d be grateful for any help with dating the photos.  Do others think they might be the same person?  Thanks,

Ian

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Free Photo Restoration & Date Old Photographs / Re: Photo date help, please
« on: Wednesday 02 February 11 18:05 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks once again to everyone for their posts, and suggestions.

Jim, I agree with China, your summary is brilliant.  I still wonder if the photo is meant to be from a wedding, because of the flowers in the lapel.  On the other hand, if the style at the time was for forests & rural sets, then perhaps the buttonhole is just for effect, and has nothing to do with a wedding,

Ian

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Free Photo Restoration & Date Old Photographs / Re: Help with dating a photo - COMPLETED
« on: Wednesday 02 February 11 12:56 GMT (UK)  »
I also wondered about twins, but tend to agree that one of the babies looks around 9 months older than the other.  We don’t have a history of twins in the family.  Either way, it should help to narrow down the options.  If I find anything, I’ll add a comment here,

Ian

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Free Photo Restoration & Date Old Photographs / Photo date help, please
« on: Wednesday 02 February 11 11:10 GMT (UK)  »
Hi,

I’d be grateful for any thoughts on the date of this photograph.  Could it be a wedding photo (he is wearing a buttonhole), but why the straw in the foreground?

Any help welcome,

Ian

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