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Staffordshire / Re: Trentham Hall Estate Buildings
« on: Tuesday 25 October 11 15:30 BST (UK)  »
Great discovery.  Who would have ever thought that the belvededere from Trentham Hall was sitting in a meadow at Sandon? And, why would Stoke on Trent  destroy  Trentham's historic and beautiful hall?  That's just as mystifying as  why  Sandon decided to save part of it?  Remember Trentham Station? Another wonderful one of Barry's creations gone. You have an extremely i8nteresting site.

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Staffordshire / Re: Trentham Hall Estate Buildings
« on: Saturday 22 October 11 19:16 BST (UK)  »
Believe Princess Elizabeth spent a night or two on that dead end track when she visited the Potteries just before 1950.   That means her coach was parked on the embankment overlooking Stone Road.  Also recall a bunch of us nippers lining the banks and waving to some of  the first casualties from D-Day, 1944, as they were loaded into ambulances and taken to N. Staffs Infirmary.

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Staffordshire / Re: Trentham Hall Estate Buildings
« on: Monday 26 September 11 13:36 BST (UK)  »
Sue - Believe all of the old quonsets were removed with the exception of some foundation bricks.  After the war, hundreds - maybe thousands - of displaced Polish men were located there. There were also quite a few Irish settling in on the slopes of the park hills.  Prior to that Gen. Charles DeGaulle visited Trentham to meet with the captured French Navy and members of a French Foreign Legion unit. King George VI accompanied him. A lot has changed. Unfortunately the iconic cluster of trees that crowned the tallest hill in the park suddenly vanished, leaving it bald.  They were a landmark, visible for miles around the park.

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Staffordshire / Re: Trentham Hall Estate Buildings
« on: Sunday 25 September 11 15:33 BST (UK)  »
Penylan Sue - I remember those shelters having stood and waited for a PMT bus to Stoke or Hanley many times.  Believe theyappeared about the time the OCTU (Arc-tually) Officer Cadet Training Unit was established in Trentham Park. As boys we enjoyed their obstacle course, some firmly believing they could become officers by fulfilling it. Trentham was a wonderful village to grow up in. Besides the speciall gardens, we had the hills, the streams, and woods in the park. I used to bike the Whitmore Road to the RN Transportation Depot in Clayton from my home on Stone Road. The main hangar of the Depot was laid out like the deck of an aircraft carrier.  Dozens of hatchways lined the walls, all overshadowed by what was considered the superstructure on an aircraft carrier.  The upper level served as offices.  Fitters, stores, painters and other  units occupied the main deck. Its prime mission was to restore all vehicular traffic for the RN and RM.  Yes, we even had tank recovery vehicles and Bren Gun Carriers.

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British War Graves Commission keeps a full record of casualties for WWI along with the cemeteries they were buried in.
Of special and very personal interest you might also want to check Pierre:
(*),  as I did in locating my uncle's grave in France.  Pierre keeps a fantastic record along with sites and population of all cemeteries.  He even went so far to send me a picture of my uncle's grave in Unicorn Cemetery.
Incidentally, no one was restricted to any particular regiment purely because of residence.  My uncle, who was KIA shortly before the Armistice, belonged to the Essex Regiment, even though he was a native of Madeley, Cheshire.  He had also served in a Derby regiment.
Just type in the info about your relative on the British War Graves Commision form and they will post a result immediately. You access it by typing: British War Graves Commission.

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Staffordshire / Re: Trentham Hall Estate Buildings
« on: Sunday 23 January 11 18:21 GMT (UK)  »
Great information.   But I think I might have mislead you.   The black and White houses I was referring to are situated - or, were - just inside the park gates and set back on the right hand side.  Believe these were  part of the Duke's estate at one time. My mother and father both worked for the Arrowsmiths when they resided there.  And, I was very well acquainted with constable who lived next door to the Poultry House.  The pictures were intriguing.  Fior as much as I thought I knew Trentham, I can't recall seeing this building, even though I had been in the Courtyard many times.   In fact, my father came home one afternoon soaked to the skin after flipping over his bicycle handlebars into the horse trough you mentioned.

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Staffordshire / Re: Trentham Hall Estate Buildings
« on: Saturday 22 January 11 16:54 GMT (UK)  »
Uncovering yet another mystery about Trentham's past. Thanks for the map and well-indexed plan of the old courtyard off Park Drive.  If you cut through the courtyard past the fountain in the center, a driveway lead to The Dairy, a beautiful Tudor half timbered residence, formerly occupied by the Arrowsmiths.
Miniature houses, or doll's houses, we used to call them, were near the residence.  I believe The Dairy still stands and the courtyard has been turned into apartments.  In the old days of Trentham Gardens, some of the courtyard homes housed estate workers, as did many lining the driveway and also near the former Monica Cafe.

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Staffordshire / Re: Trentham Hall Estate Buildings
« on: Tuesday 28 December 10 17:26 GMT (UK)  »
 There are some great pictures of Trentham on this site, as mentioned by VeraH.
  William Blake's shots of the Gardens unveil a Trentham I once knew. The pictures of the swimming pool - where else did such a pool exist in England? - reminded me of evening bike treks to it, either along the lake, or, the path that ran adjacent to the Park.
   As a Sea Cadet, we'd paddle canoes to the far end of the Lake where the Swiss Chalet sat, dispensing tea and cakes to strollers, or, train riders at the terminus of the little railway.
    The Institute pictures truly show the historic past of Trentham.  Unfortunately, like Trentham Hall, and the Ballroom, all were demolished.
     A picture showing Ash Green Corner with the large brick wall surrounding the Gardens, also shows what was to become Ash Green Post Office managed by the Pavitts. The house sits on the right foreground in the picture.
      Believe it was Albert Pavitt as owner/manager, assisted by his brother Harry, who resided a stone's throw off Longton Road above the combination Post Office and store. Besides stamps, you could buy bread and groceries, rent books, and even manage a Post Office savings account.
               
   

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Staffordshire / Re: Trentham Hall Estate Buildings
« on: Tuesday 28 December 10 02:31 GMT (UK)  »
 VeraH brought back some fine memories of Trentham. It was the Trentham I knew in the 30s and 40s. Trentham Gardens was paradise.  So was the park. We didn't have much of anything. But compared to today's standards we had more. How can I forget Trentham Parochial School? There was a narrow pathway just below Wenger's driveway to the right, which we took. The main entrance was further down opposite an old rambling post office building-bars on the windows-and two entrances.
The school had three playgrounds. One for the girls on the left and the other two for boys. There was a lower playground, and a brick slope connecting it to the top playground. On the left of the upper playground Wenger's apple and pears were lodged behind a brick wall topped with some wire. It failed to keep us out. Wenger's apples were the best.
 Between the rough and tumble of Trentham kids versus Hanford kids, we also faced canings by Miss Blakemore for crimes committed against humanity - snowballing, not learning poems, and, lateness.  Usually, four slashes across the hand.  A Mr. Mellor was the headmaster and dwelled in an abutting house in the girl's playground.  Later, Mr Goldstone, who drove and maintained the Garden's trains, resided there with his family.
The school consisted of a kindergarten on the right of the Main Entrance, a single classroom on the left of a hallway, which led to the largest classroom boasting a concertina-style folding wall.  At a school concert-Christmas, I believe- I recall one young singer bringing the house down with her rendition of a song - "...nice people with nice manners, but, got no money at all." I believe her name was Miss Darling.
The Mauseleum always scared us at night and it was a dare to walk by it. There was a cold stone house next to the upper playground fronting on Wenger's driveway once used by the schoolmaster.  It was cold - like the Arctic. We briefly held the first Trentham Scout Troop meetings there.
One noon time, my sister and I took a bag of potatoe chips and sat at a table in the Monica Cafe crunching the chips between margerine sandwiches. Naturally, we were politely asked to leave, unless we wanted tea. We couldn't afford tea, so we left.
 There were some beautiful  historical black and white half-timbered houses lining the driveway into the school house. At the outset of the war, a company of Newfoundland Pioneers were billeted there.  Later, a NAAFI quonset hut was erected next to the school to serve soldiers. With some pennies we were able to buy some of their biscuits.
  A large partially submerged air raid shelter was dug in on an upper level overlooking the girl's playground. We were all treated to a few visits during fly overs by Goering's "finest."  It was a dank, dark tube, the only light was emitted from a blue curtain at the end of the shelter which served as a lavatory.  Fortunately, we spent little time there.
   Soldiers dug in machine gun emplacements below the railings next to the mauseleum facing the park entrance.  And, on the road to Stone on a hill belonging to the Trentham Golf Course a round white pillbox appeared one day - a standout target. Wenger's field abutting Longton Road and Stuart Avenue were dotted with long poles to thwart glider landings. Trentham Lake was festooned with booms just below the surface of the water, designed to wreck any seaplane landings.
Village kids used to race through a copse from  Stone Road into Wenger's field next to Brook Road, fearful that someone was always chasing them. Little is left of the copse.  The old chicken house was demolished.
  POWs were seen in the village tightening barbed wire on barricades next to the Barlaston Old Road, where the signposts had been removed. We had an active CD and Home Guard presence - always on guard, always practicing.
  Village constables marched in front of their Longton Road HQ in steel helmets and sloped arms during the opening days of the war.
   
 

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