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Scotland / Re: Calders from Ireland and Scotland
« on: Thursday 16 March 17 22:08 GMT (UK) »
Thanks again for all your help Ruth... I have had great success and found much more.
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Scotland / Re: Calders from Ireland and Scotland
« on: Thursday 09 March 17 18:08 GMT (UK) »
Ruth I have gone over all my notes from the past dozen or so years and am now able to fit it all together. Also, I found a baptism for Mary Anne Johnston in Tyrone, on March 22, 1808 which fits with the estimated birth time.
Thanks again for your input!!
Have a great day.
Eileen
Thanks again for your input!!
Have a great day.
Eileen
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Scotland / Re: Calders from Ireland and Scotland
« on: Thursday 09 March 17 02:56 GMT (UK) »
Another note is that on John Stewart Calder's (son of John Calder and Mary Stewart) death record (Jan. 22, 1911) his name is given as Cather. There is a notation on the death record that his father went by the name Cather but the family adopted the name of Calder.
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Scotland / Re: Calders from Ireland and Scotland
« on: Thursday 09 March 17 01:58 GMT (UK) »
Oh and Ruth, yes, I have the marriage records for Isabella and you are correct- she is the daughter of John Calder and Mary Stewart. Those were the only marriages I found.. I will keep searching though.
Thanks!
Thanks!
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Scotland / Re: Calders from Ireland and Scotland
« on: Thursday 09 March 17 01:22 GMT (UK) »
Dear Ruth;
I can't thank you enough for the searching you did. How did you find William's birth place in Ireland? (Mary Ann Johnston's spouse) Also, it makes sense that Mary has the second name Ann, but I am curious how you found out.
I knew of some of the families you mentioned but had not connected them and was getting a bit confused, so thank you for putting them all in order the way you did. I had thought that William's siblings were the John and Robert you mentioned but I had not seen his sister.
Robert, b 1816 and his first spouse Margaret were living with William Calder on the 1841 census, so that narrows her death to being between 1841 and 1845. Their son John, 1 yr, was also there. (Something that also made me lean towards his grandfather being a John.)
I had seen the John Calder b circa 1789 also, and I put him down as a possible father for William but had not been able to find a death either. With the names of the descendants I was fairly sure that the father of William Calder b circa 1805 would be John or William, leaning towards John.
You have given me lots to go on and I will let you know what I find....thank you again. It is much appreciated. I will post an update late!
Eileen
I can't thank you enough for the searching you did. How did you find William's birth place in Ireland? (Mary Ann Johnston's spouse) Also, it makes sense that Mary has the second name Ann, but I am curious how you found out.
I knew of some of the families you mentioned but had not connected them and was getting a bit confused, so thank you for putting them all in order the way you did. I had thought that William's siblings were the John and Robert you mentioned but I had not seen his sister.
Robert, b 1816 and his first spouse Margaret were living with William Calder on the 1841 census, so that narrows her death to being between 1841 and 1845. Their son John, 1 yr, was also there. (Something that also made me lean towards his grandfather being a John.)
I had seen the John Calder b circa 1789 also, and I put him down as a possible father for William but had not been able to find a death either. With the names of the descendants I was fairly sure that the father of William Calder b circa 1805 would be John or William, leaning towards John.
You have given me lots to go on and I will let you know what I find....thank you again. It is much appreciated. I will post an update late!
Eileen
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Scotland / Re: Calders from Ireland and Scotland
« on: Tuesday 07 March 17 16:39 GMT (UK) »
It has been a while since my original post and I wanted to clear up some errors:
Re the William Calder and Mary Johnston post
William Calder's father is likely John, possibly William. (Going by naming patterns). Birth date unknown, earlier than originally thought. Mother still unknown. No info on Mary's parents. Going by known children's birth years it would seem that William and Mary moved to Scotland, from Ireland, between 1838 and 1840. Regarding birthdates of William and Mary- William is seen as being born circa 1804 to 1806 depending on census, and Mary is seen as 1805 to 1811.
William's occupation was first seen as a labourer, then a leather cutter and later a cotton weaver and hand loom weaver. (Sources: censuses and daughter Sarah's death record)
Known children of William and Mary are:
Mary Ann Calder, b circa 1827 (per census), in Ireland. Occ in 1851: cotton spinner. She is NOT the Mary Ann Calder that married George Nelson
John Calder b circa 1835 in Ireland (per 1841 and 1851 census) no further info. Shoemaker apprentice in 1851
Sarah Calder b circa 1838 Ireland (per 1841 and 1851 census) married William Nibloe and died in 1868. William later remarried, second spouse name is Ruth McBride. Sarah was a hand loom weaver and a silk weaver
William Calder b Lanarkshire, circa 1840 d 1841
William Calder b circa 1841 Hamilton, Lanarkshire, d 1917 Married Elizabeth Jane York(e) (10 children). William was shown as a shoemaker apprentince in 1851, a leather cutter in 1881 & 1883, a leather clicker in 1891, and a boot top cutter in 1901.
Isabella Calder b circa 1846 in Blantyre, Lanarkshire per 1851 census
William Calder and Mary Calder, nee Johnston were both alive in the 1851 census and were both deceased by the time of daughter Sarah's marriage in December of 1860.
In 1841 they were living on Muir St., Lanarkshire, and in 1851 they were at Stonefield Farmhouse, Roadhead, Lanarkshire (civil parish Blantyre)
I can find nothing further about son John and daughters Mary Ann and Isabella.
Any help would be appreciated. Thank you in advance.
(note that in the 1851 census the last name was transcribed as Cather, not Calder)
Re the William Calder and Mary Johnston post
William Calder's father is likely John, possibly William. (Going by naming patterns). Birth date unknown, earlier than originally thought. Mother still unknown. No info on Mary's parents. Going by known children's birth years it would seem that William and Mary moved to Scotland, from Ireland, between 1838 and 1840. Regarding birthdates of William and Mary- William is seen as being born circa 1804 to 1806 depending on census, and Mary is seen as 1805 to 1811.
William's occupation was first seen as a labourer, then a leather cutter and later a cotton weaver and hand loom weaver. (Sources: censuses and daughter Sarah's death record)
Known children of William and Mary are:
Mary Ann Calder, b circa 1827 (per census), in Ireland. Occ in 1851: cotton spinner. She is NOT the Mary Ann Calder that married George Nelson
John Calder b circa 1835 in Ireland (per 1841 and 1851 census) no further info. Shoemaker apprentice in 1851
Sarah Calder b circa 1838 Ireland (per 1841 and 1851 census) married William Nibloe and died in 1868. William later remarried, second spouse name is Ruth McBride. Sarah was a hand loom weaver and a silk weaver
William Calder b Lanarkshire, circa 1840 d 1841
William Calder b circa 1841 Hamilton, Lanarkshire, d 1917 Married Elizabeth Jane York(e) (10 children). William was shown as a shoemaker apprentince in 1851, a leather cutter in 1881 & 1883, a leather clicker in 1891, and a boot top cutter in 1901.
Isabella Calder b circa 1846 in Blantyre, Lanarkshire per 1851 census
William Calder and Mary Calder, nee Johnston were both alive in the 1851 census and were both deceased by the time of daughter Sarah's marriage in December of 1860.
In 1841 they were living on Muir St., Lanarkshire, and in 1851 they were at Stonefield Farmhouse, Roadhead, Lanarkshire (civil parish Blantyre)
I can find nothing further about son John and daughters Mary Ann and Isabella.
Any help would be appreciated. Thank you in advance.
(note that in the 1851 census the last name was transcribed as Cather, not Calder)
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East Lothian (Haddingtonshire) / Re: Need to Find a Booklet
« on: Thursday 25 September 14 19:53 BST (UK) »
Thank you! I was lucky enough to have a friend stop in at the John Grey Centre while visiting the area and they photocopied several pages.
All the best,
Eileen
All the best,
Eileen
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East Lothian (Haddingtonshire) / Re: Need to Find a Booklet by Irene Anderson re Garvald
« on: Friday 12 September 14 14:50 BST (UK) »
Sandra.... I live in Canada and can not get to a library or history centre in Scotland ...I too am interested in this booklet as I have Andersons and Allans from the area. Did you ever find a way to get a copy? Thanks in advance for reading.
Eileen
Eileen
Can anyone help me get a copy of a booklet written by Irene Anderson and titled Garvald, The Lairds, Tenants and Tradesmen. I don't know when it was written or who the publisher was.
Thanks
Sandra
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Fife / Re: Duncan and Scott families, Fife UPDATE
« on: Thursday 11 September 14 18:23 BST (UK) »Hi there,
Pretty sure we are working on the same family. Janet's parents names were listed on her death certificate.
This may be the birth of George Duncan (spouse of Janet Scott), but I have to determine for sure:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XYZZ-WHD
Name: George Duncan
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 03 May 1761
Baptism/Christening Place: MONIMAIL,FIFE,SCOTLAND
Father's Name: Andrew Duncan
Mother's Name: Christian Chapman
Our George b circa 1761 married Janet Scott b circa 1760 in Fife.
I had found two children for them born in Cupar:
1) George Duncan b circa 1784 (Was living with sister Janet and her husband James Watson in 1861 census which was how I knew his name, dob and occupation.)
2) Janet Duncan
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Janet Duncan married James Watson on 18 Nov 1820 in Cupar, Fife and they had:
1) Janet- presumably named after mum and grandmother
2) George- presumably named after both grandfathers
3) James- named after his father
4) Andrew- possibly named after gr grandfather if the above Andrew Duncan and Christian Chapman shown above are George's correct parents
5) John
6) David
7) Peter
Thanks, Eileen