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Cheshire / Re: Margaret Starkie née Legh
« on: Wednesday 12 March 25 19:09 GMT (UK)  »
So after a lot of digging it turns out Margaret was the daughter of Thomas Legh of Alkrington (son of Piers and Margaret Legh of Lyme) and his wife Katherine.

Thomas's 1597 will names 7 'reputed' children (including Margaret Legh) and that it was his will and intent that his wife Katherine had 'education, rule, order, government and disposition' of his 3 reputed daughters and 3 reputed sons, the eldest already being an adult with his own children.

Katherine's 1620 will names them all as her sons and daughters and she mentions 'my daughter Starkie' and 'sonne in lawe John Starkie' as her 'true and lawfull executor of this my last will and testamt'.

So it appears that the children were illegitimate even though sources say Thomas and Katherine married in the early 1560s, with Margaret being born in the mid-late 1580s. For some reason their marriage must have been invalid, rather than Thomas having had 7 children with a different woman than his wife Katherine.

Thomas and Katherine appear to share the same great-grandparents Edmund Trafford and Margaret Savage, making them second cousins. I wonder if this was reason for making issue illegitimate? I remember seeing a while ago a couple divorced in the late 14th century because they were related in the 'fourth degree', both descending from the same great-great-grandparents. Maybe somebody can shed some light on this?

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Cheshire / Re: Margaret Starkie née Legh
« on: Monday 17 February 25 21:51 GMT (UK)  »
I wonder if her father wasn't Thomas Legh but a different Legh altogether. Maybe they attached Margaret to the most well known Legh of that time period, Thomas Legh of Adlington Hall.

There are several sources mentioning the 1602 marriage covenant of John Starkie and Margaret Legh. Unfortunately no place is given. I don't know where the primary source for the covenant would be.

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Cheshire / Re: Margaret Starkie née Legh
« on: Monday 17 February 25 10:51 GMT (UK)  »
Thomas Legh and Sybil had a daughter Margaret born 1582 but according to sources she only married Henry Arderne and William Davenport. Her portrait with one of her husbands is or was kept at Bramall Hall and I think she is quite well documented. Margaret Davenport died in 1653 and Margaret Starkie died in 1644.

Burial: 22 Dec 1644 St Leonard, Padiham, Lancashire
Margareta Starkie - uxor Johannis Starkie
    Abode: de Huntroyde
    Occupation: Armiger
    Register: Burials 1573 - 1653, Page 226
    Source: Original Parish Register

I came across the 1639 will of Dorothy Egerton, the daughter of Mary Grosvenor and her second husband Richard Egerton. She names as her godson John Starkie, Margaret [Legh] his wife and their son Nicholas Starkie. There must be some connection there, whether it be on Thomas Legh or Piers/Peter Leghs side of the family.

Piers/Peter had a brother called Thomas Legh who seemingly fits as Margaret Starkie's father but he appears to have died without issue and left a will which I'm assuming doesn't mention any children.

Thanks very much. Something is bound to turn up!

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Cheshire / Margaret Starkie née Legh
« on: Sunday 16 February 25 21:49 GMT (UK)  »
Hello

I am trying to find more about the origins of my 13th great grandmother Margaret Legh. She was born mid 1580s possibly in Cheshire and married about 1602 to John Starkie (1584-1665) of Padiham in Lancashire.

In all sources I have found (apart from one) she is only mentioned as the daughter of a Thomas Legh of Adlington, and no other information is given. One source records her parents as Thomas Legh and Mary Grosvenor but this must be wrong as they would have been elderly when Margaret was born in the 1580s.

One source I haven't seen is the 1663 Cheshire Visitation but I am struggling to find it anywhere. I am wondering if Margaret might have been recorded on a Legh pedigree from the visitation.

If anyone has any information about Margaret or can send me in the right direction I would be very grateful. Thanks very much.

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Thank you. It's a shame they didn't scribble the year on photos back in the day!

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Hello,

I have two photographs of relatives and have no idea about the date of the photos other than maybe late 1920s to early 1930s, but I may be wrong.

Reverse side of 'photograph1' says:
"North Bay Snaps Ltd., Scarborough. Further copies can be obtained by quoting index letter and number on photograph."

Reverse side of 'photograph2' says:
Further copies enlargements & frames from "snaps", kodak supplies, bridlington".

Do the codes have any significance?

Thank you

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Gloucestershire / Hailes Church, Gloucestershire
« on: Monday 14 December 20 17:19 GMT (UK)  »
As I understand, Hailes Church (chapelry in the parish of Didbrook) was built in the 1100s, but from various online sources, registers only begin in 1814. Would baptisms and marriages have taken place there from the 1100s without being recorded until 1814? Or were baptisms and marriages performed at St George's, Didbrook?
Hope someone can shed some light on this. Thanks.

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The Common Room / Re: Interfaith marriage
« on: Monday 23 September 19 18:19 BST (UK)  »
Hello all

Thank you for all of your responses.

Below is some extra info:

Marriage: 19 Apr 1835 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
Thomas Ellison - (X), Wigan Parish
Mary Martland - (X), Wigan Parish

Baptism: 18 Aug 1811 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
Thomas Ellison - third Son of Robert Ellison & Susan (formerly Fentham)
    Born: 26 Jul
    Abode: Ince
    Occupation: Weaver
    Mother's Parents: James & Ellen Fentham

Below the only baptism match I can find so far:

Baptism: 20 Dec 1812 St John RC, Wigan, Lancashire, England
Mary Markland - Daughter of Willm. Markland & Ann
    Born: 19 Dec 1812
    Godparents: James Markland; Mary Walker

Census birth dates/places of Mary Ellison nee Markland:

1851 born Wigan 1813
1861 born Ince 1816
1871 born Wigan 1813
1881 born Wigan 1812
1891 born Ince 1812

2 Aug 1835 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
Robert Elison - 1 Son of Thomas Elison & Mary
    Born: 3 Jul
    Abode: Ince
    Occupation: Weaver

10 Sep 1837 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
Suzannah Ellison - first daughter of Thomas Ellison & Mary
    Born: 7 Sep
    Abode: Ince
    Occupation: Labourer

5 Jan 1840 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
George Ellison - 2d. Son of Thomas Ellison & Mary
    Born: 30 Dec 1839
    Abode: Scholes
    Occupation: Labourer

15 May 1842 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
Elizabeth Ellison - Daur. of Thomas Ellison & Mary
    Born: 8 May
    Abode: Ince
    Occupation: Labourer

22 Jul 1844 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
Ellen Ellison - Daur. of Thomas Ellison & Mary
    Born: 23 Jun
    Abode: Ince
    Occupation: Labourer

3 Aug 1846 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
Ellen Ellison - Daur. of Thomas Ellison & Mary
    Born: 12 Jul
    Abode: Ince
    Occupation: Labourer

 18 Dec 1848 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
Thomas Ellison - Son of Thomas Ellison & Mary
    Born: 19 Nov
    Abode: Ince
    Occupation: Labourer

18 Sep 1853 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
William Ellison - Son of Thomas Ellison & Mary
    Born: 7 Aug 1853
    Abode: Ince
    Occupation: Labourer

On LancsBMD mother's maiden name recorded as 'Markland'

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The Common Room / Interfaith marriage
« on: Sunday 22 September 19 23:34 BST (UK)  »
Hello all

Looking for a bit of insight or advice.

My ancestors married in 1835 at a CofE church. I have found the groom's baptism (CofE) but the only bride's baptism I can find is Catholic.

What is the likelihood of them marrying?

Would she have had to convert?

Did interfaith marriages happen in the Victorian times? And was there stigma?

Thanks very much

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