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Tipperary / Re: O' DONNELLs of Clonmel, Clerihan, Shanballyard areas
« on: Thursday 23 December 10 18:51 GMT (UK)  »
That is really interesting. I have seen errors before. Sometimes it happens in transcription. So it is possible that it is the mother that was dead. The main item that convinces me that Andrew, Catherine and Edmund are related is the documented link to Shanballyard. Does the Andrew on the death cert have Shanballyard as his address?.  Where is William documented as being from Shanballyard?. When did he die?

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Tipperary / Re: O' DONNELLs of Clonmel, Clerihan, Shanballyard areas
« on: Tuesday 21 December 10 16:58 GMT (UK)  »
I just noticed that Ellen is the witness on Catherine marriage certificate. Do you know what happened to William?.  As he was the eldest you would have expected him to inherit the farm rather than Edmund. Also as there was a William Donnell in 1825 he was most likely Andrews father and it would be consistent that his first born male would be called William. Also 10 years is a long time in those days between Children. Do you have his marriage certificate and if so what townland is on it. Is it Shanballyard?

The 1901 Census would put Catherine's birth year at 1859 and Edmund's at 1861.

Clerihan is a village rather than a townland. It is in the Civil parish of Newchapel which has 27 townlands. Newchapel is beside the Civil parish of Ballyclerahan which the townland of Shanballyard is in.

Andrew and Eleanor O'Donnell do not appear in either the 1901 or 1911 census. Do you have a townland for them?

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Tipperary / Re: O' DONNELLs of Clonmel, Clerihan, Shanballyard areas
« on: Monday 20 December 10 20:40 GMT (UK)  »
Here is the full extent of what I know. Shanballyard is a 322 acre townland within what was the District Electoral Division of Ballyclerahan. This is in the Barony of Iffa and Offa and the Civil parish of Inishlounacht. In 1850 Andrew O'Donnell was a tenant farmer there with 11 acres. The landlord was John Scully who also lived there.  In 1825 from the Tithe list there was a James Scully living there and a William Donnell (spelt Danniel /Daniel). As these are not Irish names typically found in the area and are phonetically very similar to Donnell it is reasonable to assume that it is Donnell. From her marriage certificate Catherine was Andrew's daughter.

Tracking forward to the 1901 census we find that Edmund O'Donnell aged 40 is the head of family and owner of a farm in Shanballyard. His first born son is named Andrew and there was an Edmund O'Donnell born in 1861 whos father was Andrew. There is no address on the Birth Cert so it is hard to be sure if it is the same Andrew. It says he was baptized in Ardfinnan Parish which is 10km from Shanballyard and his mother is Ellen Wall.  Based on the census data I would assume that Edmund is Catherine's younger brother.

I can't find any trace of Andrew O' Donnell who died 8-Sep-1928 aged 68 or his wife Eleanor in either the 1901 or 1911 Irish census which is odd. In the past I have found that ages on death certs can be fairly suspect. Do you have a town land for them?

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Tipperary / Re: O' DONNELLs of Clonmel, Clerihan, Shanballyard areas
« on: Sunday 19 December 10 18:49 GMT (UK)  »
Shanballyard is not that big an area and has had only one o'donnell falily living there since 1820 from the records. On either of those death certs did it say Shanballyard?. If they are both then I would suspect father and son. What ages were on the certs?.

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Tipperary / Re: O' DONNELLs of Clonmel, Clerihan, Shanballyard areas
« on: Sunday 19 December 10 15:44 GMT (UK)  »
I don't have any more information on Catherine's siblings but here is what I can get from the censuses. Shanballard I think is a misspelling of Shanballyard. Looking at Griffiths Valuation there was an entry for Andrew O'Donnell in 1850 in Shanballyard

see Griffiths Valuation Entry http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=doNameSearch&PlaceID=1180076&county=Tipperary,%20south%20riding&barony=Iffa%20&%20offa,%20east&parish=Inishlounaght&townland=%3Cb%3EShanballyard%3C/b%3E

In the 1901 and 1911 Censuses there is an Edmund O'Donnell living in Shanballyard aged 40 who would be the right age to be a sibling of Catherine. Also his first born boy is called Andrew which would imply his fathers name was Andrew

see 1901 Census entry http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/results.jsp?census_year=1901&surname=o%27donnell&firstname=&county=Tipperary&townland=Shanballyard&ded=Ballyclerahan&age=&sex=&search=Search&relationToHead=&religion=&education=&occupation=&marriageStatus=&birthplace=&language=&deafdumb=&marriageYears=&childrenBorn=&childrenLiving=

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1911 Census entry http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/results.jsp?census_year=1911&surname=o%27donnell&firstname=&county=Tipperary&townland=Shanballyard&ded=Ballyclerahan&age=&sex=&search=Search&relationToHead=&religion=&education=&occupation=&marriageStatus=&birthplace=&language=&deafdumb=&marriageYears=&childrenBorn=&childrenLiving=

In 1826 tithes there is a William Donnell in Shanballyard
see: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/tipp/InishlounaghtTithes.htm

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Tipperary / Re: O' DONNELLs of Clonmel, Clerihan, Shanballyard areas
« on: Tuesday 14 December 10 13:46 GMT (UK)  »
From her marriage certificate 11th May 1889 she was from Shanballard, Clonmel.
Her fathers name was Andrew and he was a farmer. He was noted on the marriage certificate as being dead at the time of the wedding. Based on her entry in the 1901 Irish census she was born in 1859.

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Tipperary / Re: O' DONNELLs of Clonmel, Clerihan, Shanballyard areas
« on: Monday 13 December 10 17:02 GMT (UK)  »
Catherine and  Patrick Keating of Kilnaracy were my great grandparent on my mothers side

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