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Other Countries / Re: Hearsey/Salmon family Hon East India Co
« on: Thursday 12 February 15 11:23 GMT (UK)  »
Hello! My wife has a remote connection to the Salmons/Hearseys through the marriage of George Paris Salmon's daughter Ann Salmon in Perth Scotland to a cousin Charles Henry Ziegler.

Reading this fascinating thread, I noticed early on that the unfortunate girl was Marian as opposed to her mother being Marion.  Could the Marianne Salmon, born in Aylsham, Norfolk in 1803 be the same? Any Salmons in Norfolk?

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Cork / Re: GOOD and RICE families from Cork
« on: Wednesday 20 February 13 16:04 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks Mary for your quick reply, you don't hang about!

Pierce Rice may well be the one.  Ancestry also gave me a reference in O’Kief of the marriage in 1840 of a Pierce Rice and Elizabeth Clarke in the Diocese of Cork and Ross.

I am thinking the connection might have been through the wool or clothing trade; William Clarke was variously described as a wool merchant, woollen draper or woolcomber and lived on Blarney Lane, which appears to have been a centre in Cork for the trade.  In 1810 West’s Directory, there is a Mary Rice linen draper in Cork at South Main Street and later in 1824 a John Rice,Woollen Draper at 79 South Main Street (Pigot’s Directory).  Not overwhelming but a possibility. 

William Clarke had two daughters (Elizabeth and Sarah) and a son Thomas who it is said upset his father by going into the church (vicar of Micheldever in Wiltshire for more than 50 years) rather than his family business.  Perhaps by Elizabeth marrying Pierce Rice he hoped to keep the family business going.

In the event it seems this William’s granddaughter Anna Rice kept the Clarke connection going through marrying a tobacco importer Robert Chambers, who is shown as a mortgagor in 1855 for her cousin William Clarke the tobacco manufacturer, when buying land later to become part of his Farren (or Farran) estate.

The details of young George Nelson Rice’s untimely demise fits in with family lore, that he was training for the church.  Again it may mean nothing but I note that two of the inscriptions on gravestones at Ballinaboy refer to a George Rice, I can’t make out the first one but the second was erected by Geo Rice in memory of his father Thomas who died in 1806; perhaps George Nelson, born in 1806, was named after him - and Nelson’s victory at Trafalgar of course??

I would love to have copies  of the photos you mentioned - I am planning a visit to Cork next month to do a bit more digging, PM to follow!  With regards

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Cork / Re: GOOD and RICE families from Cork
« on: Sunday 17 February 13 10:50 GMT (UK)  »
Fascinating!  I have an Eliza Clarke born 1784, daughter of William Clarke, woolmerchant of Blarney Lane, Cork  and Sarah Farren. Eliza married a Rice (I don't have a first name or any other details) and had two children at least, Anna Rice and George Nelson Rice, born 1806, dd 1827, who was buried in St Mary's Shandon, Cork.  Anna Rice married a Robert Chambers, who was probably the tobacco importer with offices at 6 St Patricks Street, Cork  in 1845 in Aldwell's Directory; a Robert Chambers was an associate of another Wm Clarke, (nephew of the above) of Clarke's Tobacco, whose address in 1856 was then 6 St Patricks Street.  Does any of this match up with your research?

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Cork / Re: Anthony Perrier JP
« on: Friday 02 March 12 22:47 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks for your post, Rendall was one of my father's (Thomas Hughes Clarke, known as Hugh) many first cousins and they were good friends.  I met Rendall a few times at family events.  I remember being taken for a spin in a kit-car he had built, on the airfield near Rendall's house on the New Forest.  My father was born 1905 and died in 1962. Rendall's father was Dr Henry Clarke, fourth son of Thomas Clarke of Allerton Hall and my grandfather Charles Samuel was the third son.  I never visited Aghamarta, but did go to Farran, Springfort and Nadrid once or twice and saw Trabolgan from the drive (and from the ferry).  I met Sam once, he is a year younger than me, I think; we met at Tracy Park when I was about ten (1957ish), I would like to make contact again!  I have incidentally just made contact with descendants of Helena Schreiber, one of whom  is living in Skibbereen; Helena was one of Thomas Clarke's three sisters, the others married William Lumley Perrier jr as you know, and the other, an Augustus Warren.  They had one son who died young.

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Cork / Re: Anthony Perrier JP
« on: Thursday 01 March 12 19:10 GMT (UK)  »
More cousins!  So you would have known cousin Rendall Clarke, a nephew to whom Ernest left Aghamarta?  Of Wilton Carpets and Youghal Carpets. Do you know what became of Aghamarta, did Rendall pass it on to his family (son Samuel?) 

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Cork / Re: James McCarthy and Sons, Cork 1800s
« on: Monday 30 January 12 12:40 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks again Mary, the sale catalogue looks interesting, I recently found one for the sale of paintings at Allerton Hall, Liverpool, by the estate of Capt W R Clarke's father Thomas Clarke, in 1926.  That catalogue was marked up with initials showing that a lot of the items were bought in by members of the family - any such indications on this one?  I've collected a few old Clarke Tobacco signs! Martin

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Cork / Re: Augustus Charles James WARREN and Rev Robert WARREN
« on: Wednesday 23 November 11 16:51 GMT (UK)  »
Rev. Robert Warren, aka Rabbit Warren??

Thanks for that!  There is a very comprehensive Crawfords of Donegal family history at http://www.h-f-h.org.uk/gallery/crawfords.pdf.

Re Uncle Oscar, I sent PastMagic a PM, I think! I guess I should start a new post, but he, Oscar Loewenthal, moved all round South America building railways was born in Germany, educated in England and Switzerland, married an American (or two) in Mexico, worked in Argentina, Brazil etc joined British army in WWI.  but Argentina was his home from 1919 to 1946 - so I'll go for the Emigrants and immigrants board.

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Cork / Re: Augustus Charles James WARREN and Rev Robert WARREN
« on: Friday 11 November 11 12:09 GMT (UK)  »
That's great, and yes the Rev Robert Warren would have been a nephew of the first Sir Augustus Warren, elder brother to the Rev's father Robert, and both being sons of Sir Robert Warren of Warrens Court.  Warrens Court (aka Kilbarry) is about 1km west of Crookstown and 6 miles west of Farran along the N22,  and presumably part of Cannaway Parish.  http://www.landedestates.ie/LandedEstates/jsp/estate-show.jsp?id=1886 is good.

Re the Schreibers, thanks for the information re the Suffolk documents.  Annaghmore House is about 10 miles due south of Farran near Crossbarry and a mile to the east of Inishannon. The Landed Estates website also connects the Warrens with Annaghmore at some time.  So that sorts out all three of William Clarke's daughters. People didn't travel far to match up their children in those days!  Now onto Uncle Oscar in Argentina! Many thanks again, Martin

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Cork / Re: Augustus Charles James WARREN and Rev Robert WARREN
« on: Thursday 10 November 11 18:11 GMT (UK)  »
Cannaway = Ballincollig just about, that's excellent, and the Augustus Warren of Warren's Court looks a liely connection too, thanks for your immediate reactions Shane and PastMagic - it must be raining or nothing on television!  For the record I have now found the three daughters of William Clarke of Farren, namely Maria Francis who married William Lumley Perrier Junior, Helena Evelyn who married William Thomas Schreiber and now Isabella and Augustus Warren, all from within a few miles of Farren.  More trails to follow, and new sources to check, many thanks, Martin

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