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Monaghan / Re: YOUNG & NICHOLSON Families in Monaghan. Have I reached the end of my rope?
« on: Thursday 15 November 12 22:15 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you for clarifying her dates for me.  I'm starting to get a better grip on names of townlands, parishes, etc.

I have been digging a bit more and was able to find William B. Young in the Tithe Applotment Books. In 1832 he would have been 23, I assume it's still him at this point as I am not sure who his father was nor if he had siblings. If his first born is named Andrew would that possibly be his father's name?

Anyway, the record is on Ancestry.com but FamilySearch actually has the written information which I was able to save.  FamilySearch led me to page 28/31 and I found out that all 31 pages are with William B. Young AND a Thomas Roblnson. Both were listed as commissioners and each had 1000 pounds sterling in their personal estate. Robinson's estate was listed in Tallymount. Not sure who this guy is, so that's another project!

The first few pages had official wording with William B. and Thomas Robinson. Then I hit page 4/5 and it starts listing the names,area, tithe, etc. Under Drumagelvin I found him listed first with 228 acres, but found no information about the Nicholson's. It also had William's estate listed in New Mills, but then I found him again in Drumagelvin.

It also states that owed was 350 pounds sterling, and that in 7 years ending in 1832, that corn was the principle crop they produced ( at a rate of  13..3% per barrel ) Not sure if these numbers indicate success, but still great to find out a bit more.

Do you know if there were other Young's in Tyholland in that time period...ones that were not related?

Cindy

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Monaghan / Re: YOUNG & NICHOLSON Families in Monaghan. Have I reached the end of my rope?
« on: Wednesday 31 October 12 17:24 GMT (UK)  »
Well, I was able to find baptism dates for a few of my Young children:

This was the only information I found online. Just parents name and baptism dates and location:

Andrew            -  12 Feb 1829 in New Mills, Tehallan, Monaghan, Ireland
John                -  13 Mar 1831 in Drumagelvin, Tehallan, Monaghan, Ireland
Elizabeth Jane  -  3   May 1833 in New Mills, Donagh, Tehallan, Monaghan, Ireland
Mary ( my        -  birth was 6   July 1837 in ???? Monaghan, Ireland 

* Mary (and forms of Mary) baptism was not listed which was confusing. I assumed it would be in the same area, but no luck.

If they have children born in New Mills AND Drumagelvin, were they baptised in the same Church of Ireland Church?

Also, earlier in my post it was said the Young's were from Drumagelvin. And from what I've read the Young's possibly owned a mill in New Mills, where it was said here that the Nicholson's lived, is it safe to say that the Nicholson's in some aspect worked for the Young's? Was it common for a mill owner to live in one area and have his his mill in a neighboring area? I wish I could find the name of the mill and how long it was running! Wouldn't that be fun.

Also, when a family left Ireland for the US (or other country) Was it common to record when and why they left? If so, was that a record you'd find in the church or somewhere else?

Cindy
   

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Monaghan / Re: YOUNG & NICHOLSON Families in Monaghan. Have I reached the end of my rope?
« on: Sunday 28 October 12 00:27 BST (UK)  »
Oh, I'm not  LOL I was just enjoying the ride with Google :) No doubt there are many areas with rubble from old  houses, etc.

I found this on Google Books : A Topographical Dictionary of Ireland By Samuel Lewis. 

It was one of the only places I could see reference to NewMills:

The corn and flax-mills belonging to Mr. Young, called the New-Mills, about 1 ˝ mile from Glasslough, employ about 20 persons. ( Young, W. B., Esq., New-mills, Glasslough, co. Monaghan)  I wonder if this WB Young is in my family or my WB Young. 

It also had a good bit on the areas you mentioned, so hopefully it will help me get a better grasp on the area. 

Was it common place to name a town land after a mill or a company/business in the area?

Cindy

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Monaghan / Re: YOUNG & NICHOLSON Families in Monaghan. Have I reached the end of my rope?
« on: Saturday 27 October 12 00:24 BST (UK)  »
I found Drumagelvin on Google Earth and have been taking a 'drive' around. May be the closest I ever get to Ireland LOL. Absolutely beautiful.  When you zoom out a bit and look at the area Google says is Drumagelvin it is a decent sized area with very little in the way of housing. I did see lots of areas that looked like it had been growing stuff but it was awesome to see such lovely land barely touched my modern building and expanding!

So if the Young's were in this town land, what was the average population of a townland such as this? I would love to know what they actually did as a family in this community. In the 1850 census (8yrs after they arrived) in Illinois they were farmers. Very wealthy farmers at that. So I wonder what their level of success was before they came to the US. In Illinois My William's first born son was an Andrew so I started looking for anything before 1800 with an Andrew Young. Is it listed in church records that Drumagelvin was their town land?

As for New Mills, I found the area shanew147 saw as well. I did find a few names with New Mills, Co. Monaghan though but couldn't get solid confirmation. If Tyholland Parish Church (St. Sillians?) was Mary Nicholson's church, is Tyholland another name for New Mills?? My goodness this is confusing. Was New Mills written down somewhere related to the Nicholson's family? From what I've read online here they marry in the brides church.

How common were these last name? Off to Google Earth to travel some more!
Cindy

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Monaghan / Re: YOUNG & NICHOLSON Families in Monaghan. Have I reached the end of my rope?
« on: Wednesday 24 October 12 18:33 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: hallmark on Saturday 20 October 12 18:25 BST (UK)
Question: If you are researching, would I type in Tyholland or Tehallan? Are many parishes like this?.... Yes, quite a few! Google both!

The naming system takes getting used to BUT I also have same problem with US stuff.. I've one family who never moved but ended up in 3 places due to lines being redrawn, North Carolina became South Carolina for where they lived...etc

Attaching photograph (taken by me) of the church which you will probably like to have. I have g/stones photographed but nothing for your names!

Not breaching Copyright laws as it is my copyright.

Bedell would probably indicate a previous marriage between these families. Very doubtful if you will get anything on Owen!

My spare time the past few days has been trying to understand the geography of the area and understanding towns/parishes, etc.   From the locations you gave me, am I correct that Drumagelvin is what you'd call a town- land?  Please correct me as I'm still a bit confused:

Drumagelvin(Townland)--Tyholland/Tehallan(Parish)--Monaghan(County?Union?)--Ulster would be the Province?

The google.ie has been helpful and bookmarked so I may help aid my searches.  The Bedell middle name was always a mystery to our family. As I've been researching I have seen Bishop William Bedell mentioned and his sons. It's still a new angle, but have you heard of any of his descendants in Co. Monaghan?

I am still trying to find the Nicholsons in NewMills. I am assuming this is a small town/area as I have seen a few on the maps but far away from Monaghan. Is there another name NewMills goes by?

Cindy

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Wiltshire Lookup Requests / Re: Birth info/look-up requested: GEORGE W. HARDING
« on: Sunday 21 October 12 00:59 BST (UK)  »
I wonder if there is a relation, although Sarah was on Catharine's death record (1866) and Robert's (1839).

For the certificate here's what I have:

Certificate #38,
Marriage: November 20, 1852
George 20yo/Jane 22yo. George was a Laborer. He lived in Studley Calne, Jane lived in Studley Chippenham. Jane's father wass Joseph Britten. He is listed as a labourer.
Marriage took place at the Primitive Methodist Chapel in Chippenham. 
Witnesses were George Britten and Susana Britten (Which I believe are siblings a few of her siblings.)
The Minister was Rev. Levi Ramsden, and the registrar was Edward Bradbury.

Cindy

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Wiltshire Lookup Requests / Re: Birth info/look-up requested: GEORGE W. HARDING
« on: Saturday 20 October 12 16:44 BST (UK)  »
Well, I've been searching for more possible Harding females born in the time frame Richard/Catharine were married and had no real luck.

Harriet was married with a lot of children and her firstborn was born near to my George, so she's probably out. That means Jane could possibly be the mom, but I haven't found her anywhere. Maybe she married, died. Who knows. I'm still digging around.

Assuming he is illegitimate, would there be special records for them,  or is it a 'hush-huh'? Church records?

Cindy


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Monaghan / Re: YOUNG & NICHOLSON Families in Monaghan. Have I reached the end of my rope?
« on: Saturday 20 October 12 13:25 BST (UK)  »
Lyons is my paternal grandmother's line. Both sides Irish.  Both came to US and stayed either in New York City or Brooklyn, New York.  This is all my grandmother had:

Owen Lyons - b.1780 Ireland  d. 1830 New York City
                     From NYC directories I found him in 1808 living in NYC. He was a Shoemaker.
                     Found his death in NYC records:  October 11, 1830
Do not know anything about his marriage besides he was married to Cornelia Holsted b.1794 in Ireland. They had 4 children, all born in NYC. 

His oldest son is Owen Lyons as well. He is my gggrandfather.
 b. 1824- d. 1889 Born/Lived/Died in NYC   He was a Tailor.
He married - Elizabeth Sterritt b1826 d.1867   Her parents were William b.1802 Ireland & Ann b.1800 Ireland
 have no information about them besides they were born in Ireland and he was a Carpetweaver. Only found them in 1 census, before and after....totally gone.

Not much to go on with them, but thankfully they stayed in one place so I hope to go to NYC one day to dig around in their archives :)

Cindy

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Monaghan / Re: YOUNG & NICHOLSON Families in Monaghan. Have I reached the end of my rope?
« on: Saturday 20 October 12 13:00 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: gaffy on Saturday 20 October 12 04:31 BST (UK)

I'm not sure what resources are online, perhaps others reading this can point you in the right direction...

There is a book in the OS Memoirs series called "Ordnance Survey Memoirs of Ireland Vol 40: South Ulster 1834-8" covering Sligo, Leitrim Cavan, Monaghan, and Louth, and the blurb says that Monaghan has the best coverage in the book.  If it's anything like the other OS series books, it'll have good background to the county.

I'll keep my eye out for this one. Thanks for sharing the information. Cindy

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