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I want to (belatedly) conclude this thread by summarising the key information that has been so kindly provided in answer to my original question.  Some of the info has been communicated off-line, so I felt it appropriate to update this Rootschat record so that it might help future Banks researchers who tread this path.

My original query sought to determine whether the Willenhall Archive reference to the death of Thomas Banks and his wife was in respect of ancestors of mine.  The Willenhall Archive says "An application on behalf of Charles Foster, in whose house Thomas Banks and his wife had died from Cholera, for 2 blankets to replace those destroyed was received and Mr Isaac Tyldesley was requested to supply them."

Thanks to death certificate information provide by Stephen, I now know that the couple were Thomas Banks (b 1784) and his wife Emma (nee Hadley, born 1788 and shown as "Amie" on her christening record).  Thomas and Emma Banks are my 4x great-grand parents.  They died together, on the same day (31 August 1849), of cholera.  The circumstances of their death are very poignant.

I had originally hoped there would be a local memorial in Willenhall, listing all those who died in the 1849 cholera epidemic but, judging by the responses I have received, this appears to not be the case.  Perhaps the local council will one day do something about it - but I guess there are always other priorities.  I hope to visit Willenhall and the cholera cemetery at some time in the future.

In conclusion, I would like to thank Stephen and all the other respondees to my original question.

Regards to all

Bill Banks



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Dear Helen

Thank you very much for taking the time out to check the cemetery.  Hope it wasn't too cold.  I would have hoped there was some civic commemorative record of those who died, even for the people whose names are not known.  If such a major catastrophe happened today, there certainly would be.  Thanks for your offer to look by in the future, maybe after the road scheme is completed.

Regards

Bill   ::)


Hi

As promised I did go down to the cemetery for you.  Unfortunately the gate was locked and I don't think it has been open for a while now.  However I could see that there is just one memorial stone, slightly bigger than a normal sized burial stone.  There was some writing on it but I wasn't close enough to read it and there was not enough writing to give a list of people so I'm assuming it was a commemorative stone to say it was to remember to the Cholera victims.

Sorry I couldn't be of any more help.  My Dad did tell me yesterday that they are still redeveloping the roads around there so maybe the cemetery is closed just while they do that.  As I said, I'm only 10 mins away and have to go near there when I visit my Dad so I will keep a lookout and if I notice that it's open I will take a few photos for you.

Helen :)

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Dear HelenW123

Thank you for the information and for your very kind offer.

I'm reluctant to ask you to go out of your way, especially in the current bad weather.  There is no urgency on my part but if, in the future, you do pass by the Cholera burial ground and have some time to spare, I would be interested to know whether or not the names of those interred are inscribed there (and if they include Thomas and Emma Banks).

Kind regards

Bill

I think it's just known as the Cholera cemetery and it's on Doctor's Piece, just off Walsall Road, in Willenhall.  I doubt if it's kept in good condition so I've no idea if you would find anything there, but if you want any more information I can have a look for you next weekend?

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Dear Nigelp

Thanks for supplying the link.  It makes very interesting reading.  I suspect you might well be right about there not being a complete list of names.

Regards

Bill

The following link may be helpful:

http://www.shercliff.demon.co.uk/whs2008/cholerabook.htm

Bearing in mind there is conflicting information about the number of individuals who died in 1849 in Willenhall of cholera it is unliklely that you will find a complete list of names.

Nigel

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Many thanks for this information.  Do you know the name and address of the cemetery?

Regards

Bill

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Thanks again CaroleW.

I am nevertheless interested in this episode, more generally.  The 1849 cholera outbreak was a very significant event in social history of Willenhall, resulting in the sudden deaths of 292 people.  If a list of those who died does exist, I'd be interested to look through it.  If no such list exists, then it would be useful to know so that it can be ruled out as a possible line of enquiry.

Regards

Bill

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Staffordshire completed Look up Requests / Cholera Epidemic Deaths, 1849, Willenhall
« on: Friday 19 November 10 17:57 GMT (UK)  »
Hi

Does anyone know if there exists a list of the deaths caused by the 1849 cholera epidemic centred in Willenhall?

I have enquired with Staffordshire Archives and, while they could point me to a list for the 1832 cholera epidemic, they were not aware that a list of deaths existed for the 1849 epidemic.

My particular interest stems from a note in the records of the Willenhall Council meeting, at the time, refering to compensation being paid to a landlord (Charles Foster) for having to destroy 2 blankets used by his deceased tenants, namely Thomas Banks and his wife (possible ancestors of mine).
 
Separately, the Death Index for 1849 shows death entries for Thomas Banks & Emma Banks in 1849, July Quater, vol.17, pages 330 and 329 respectively.

I would like to know whether these two were the cholera victims referred to in the Willenhall council minutes.

Bill

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Dear Willow

Thats brilliant, thanks very much.  I haven't looked at your web-site (but will soon) other than to glance at the public pages.  I noticed lots of Cadmans but no Cashmores, thank goodness!

Kind regards

Bill

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Dear Willow and CaroleW

I'm really appreciative of all your assistance.  I've been struggling at bit with this recently and your information has moved things on.  My efforts weren't helped by the fact that I could not find the 1841 Census entry for the Cadmans until, after a lot of tedious checking (and with the aid of your information) :), I discovered that my search site had wrongly transcribed Cadman as Cashmore!!  As if this wasn't hard enough.

My interest in Elizabeth is because she is one of my Gt Gt Grandmothers.  I'm really pleased that Henry originates from Shropshire.  I've never been there, nor Staffordshire, so this gives me a reason to visit both counties.

Any more information on the Shropshire Cadmans would be received with thanks.

Regards

Bill

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