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Denbighshire / Re: tuttle stHello
« on: Tuesday 05 April 11 16:30 BST (UK)  »
There's a good aerial photo from 1960 and a couple of photo's of Tuttle street and the surrounding streets  in a book called "Old Wrexham, a collection of pictures, volume 5 " written by W. Alister Williams. I managed to get a copy off Amazon as it's been out of print for some time, not sure how I stand on the copying of the picture otherwise I'd scan it for you.
W. Alister Williams did five books of old photo's of Wrexham and they're actually quite good, but because they're out of print the prices can vary for each issue, hope this helps.

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Denbighshire / Re: Street Name in Wrexham
« on: Friday 04 March 11 20:10 GMT (UK)  »
If you look at the enumeraters description for dist 34 it says ` left side of Salop Road road to end of Roderick Street ? and Wrexham Fechan including the Caia , Mount Pleasant, Dog kennel`
There was a large house called `The Mount` but it was knocked down for the building of the Ellesmere Railway, it overlooked Mount Street,

NOW - if you can remember the Anchor, then across the road was the old railway embankment and the remains of the stone walls. I guess it was around this area.

I remember the Anchor,  was it Alan who had it , and the lads from the gas and leather works who went there , when it shut we all moved to the Horsehoe in Bank St. happy days   ;D ;D
Wilcoxon your bang on with your co-ordinates, been thinking about it all day and convinced myself it wasn't were we originally thought it would be but we managed to locate it on another map from 1874/81 and it was a row of roughly fifteen houses on what would now be the roundabout by Colour Supplies and Caia Road. As you stand on the roundabout and look up Caia Road it would have been on the right hand side, in 1899 the railway has gone straight through it, can't say I remember the old walls you are on about as I think they were demolished before my time.Your right about the old Mount building I bet it was a good piece of local history, sadly gone forever.

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Denbighshire / Re: Street Name in Wrexham
« on: Thursday 03 March 11 21:51 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Dave in Spain and if you are there you lucky so and so, ok here goes we're Wrexham born and bred and we did a bit of detective work for you. We're pretty convinced the place your after is Mount Pleasant and it's on what is now Caia Road, after looking at some old maps and following the original route taken by the enumeratuion census we think it is actually the row of terraced houses ( built out of the world famous Ruabon red housebrick ), which incidentally are still there, next to Caia house ( was a pub for a long time and is now a vetenary surgeons ), we think they were called Mount Pleasant as when they were built the road was not called Caia road. Now Haverlock Square and the Dog Kennels were demolished when the railway line was built in the 1890's and the tanneries sprung up in that area, in 1881 the houses  called Mount Pleasant were not built but by 1899 they were. Now this may be a red herring but Mount Street in the 1890's was supposedly a picturesque street but the courts off it were classed as slums and they are listed in the enumeration route so when they built the row of terraces on Caia Road perhaps the use of " Mount Pleasant " was a way of detracting the image of the slum area. There is a public house in the enumeration route called the Anchor Inn and this was on the corner of Eagle Street and Salop Road, this was demolished in the late 60's early 70's, the road directly opposite this pub is what's now known as Caia Road. We can't understand why the census returns miss out house number five though. Oh where Eagle Street used to be is now roughly where the ring road around the new precinct is. We'll drive past the terraced houses tomorrow and take another look at them to see if they are called Mount Pleasant now, the area now looks nothing like the old maps at all, that's progress we suppose.

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Denbighshire / Re: Marchwiel Munitions Factory
« on: Saturday 05 February 11 20:21 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Morganllan, ok I'll tell you what I know, the munitions factory was spread all over where the Wrexham indiustrial estate is now and as a kid we used to go down there playing, if my memory serves me right behind the Saab garage which is across the road from the old BICC factory ( where I served my time as an apprentice, a story to follow ), there was a series of underground tunnels which interlinked the various buildings which are all constructed to a blast proof specification, as kids we had no idea what they where but when I was doing my apprenticeship one of the jobs I had to do with the bloke I was serving my time with was to convert one of these buildings which BICC owned into a test laboratory for testing new pvc materials. The building was flooded as the MOD had filled in the gaps between the banks which surrounded them ( the banks where to stop any blast if it should occur ) and over the years the rain water flooded it, anyway when they drained it it was full of Perch and Tench so they threw them into their own fishing pond to stock them. One memory I have whilst working on this building was we had to fit a load of electrical gear to the walls but because they were so tough the masonary drills just broke and blunted themselves so the foreman decided to use a Hilti nail gun ( the Hilti nail gun if your not familiar with is a nail gun which uses small explosive cartridges to fire the nails in to the walls ) I think you know what's coming, when we fired it the nail ricoched off the wall and it was just like a bullet firing around the room, we eventually got them to stay in by firing them into the mortar but it was hard going, happy days eh.

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Cheshire / Re: how do i find a grave
« on: Monday 31 January 11 19:08 GMT (UK)  »
Just read this thread and it's good to see you have got a positive result, good detective work by the way. You will have to get in touch with the cemetery office for their rules and regulations regarding the placement of headstones etc, each one is different. We have had a similar experience tracing our Grandfathers grave, we found it with a bit of help from the vicar and the church attendant, we then asked what the rules where regarding headstones and markers and the regulations where incredible, height, width, material, spacing from edge of surrounding fences and graves, even the angle of the gravestone..

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Flintshire / Re: Military Farm and Barracks Lane Higher Kinnerton
« on: Saturday 25 December 10 19:38 GMT (UK)  »
Hello Humphpaul, spoke to my Uncle who grew up and lived on Bramley lane in the 1920/30's and he said there was definitely no army barracks in the second world war or the lead up to it around that area, there was an anti aircraft gun battery just off from the train station in Kinnerton. He said he never heard any stories about an old army barracks from before then but that's not to say there wouldn't be, I'd be more inclined to agree with Jo regarding the roman camp theory as there was a settlement in Wrexham and a mining/smelting camp for them in the Ffrith all within five miles of each other, good luck with your search.

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Cheshire / Re: Duttons of Hargrave, Huxley, Tattenhall.
« on: Monday 15 November 10 18:11 GMT (UK)  »
Hello, well the baptism entry didn't have any reference to illigitamacy at all so I assume they did have a relationship and it just didn't work out, as you say the villages are all within close vicinity to one another and he does look to be the most likely suspect if you take the age into consideration.

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Cheshire Lookup Requests / Re: Birds and Beeston hall
« on: Sunday 14 November 10 17:39 GMT (UK)  »
Just had to comment on the tithe website done by Chester records office, I've used it myself whilst researching the family tree and it was an absolute godsend for locating stuff, a big pat on the back to the people at Chester for setting it up.....

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Cheshire / Re: Duttons of Hargrave, Huxley, Tattenhall.
« on: Sunday 14 November 10 17:30 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks for getting in touch, couldn't find my way around the Genes Reunited site it kept on saying no records for Duttons, I'll try again later, excuse my ignorance but what's " IGI " ?

Ok I'll tell you where I'm up to, my grandfather was born in May 1895 to a Margaret Sinclair but there is no Fathers name on the birth cert, he is then baptised in August 1895 and his Father is named on the baptism record ( Arthur Dutton / Labourer ), now I'm not sure whether he would have been present at the baptism or if Margaret had to give a name to the vicar to allow the baptism to take place, a kind of name and shame.. I've done loads of searches for Arthur and managed to uncover a few baptism entries for that area in the Chester records office, there was an 1865 Arthur born to a William Pemberton & Ann Dutton, these two got married in 1874/5 but Arthur is no where to be seen, I did find him living with a Hannah Willis ( he's fostered to her but after this date I am having trouble locating him ) so I figured if he is still alive in 1894/5 he would be 29/30 years old and Margaret would have been 19/20 years old, now the age difference may be a problem so thats why I've got him as suspect number 1.

I then found an 1873 Arthur Dutton but I believe him to be dead when he's about 11/12 years old so that's him ruled out, then I found the 1875 Arthur Dutton and he's the son of Peter & Emma Dutton, in 1895 he's 20 years old and so is Margaret so I figured two people the same age, sounds promising that's why he's suspect number 2. Exactly 1 year later he marries a Rose Chesters and Margaret marries also so then you start thinking are they both marrying on the rebound, if they were involved in the first place that is so you can see the dilema I'm in, a lot of assumptions without any real hard evidence to link them up that's why I thought if someone else is doing the Dutton tree they may just have a tale about old Arthur and be able to tie him up with what info I have.

I'm just getting used to the Tattenhall,Huxley,Hargrave area and they are all within close vicinity of one another, Margaret was a domestic servant and Arthur was a labourer so did they both work on the same farm, I know in 1891 Margaret is 15 years old and employed as a maid on a farm at Duddon Common but no sign of an Arthur anywhere, he's a slippery old so and so that's for sure.

This may be as far as I can go with the tree but I say never say never..

The search goes on.......

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