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Kent Completed Lookup Requests / Re: chaney family 1841
« on: Friday 20 June 25 23:26 BST (UK)  »
Hi there,
I have Mary Ann Brown marrying John Chaney at Holy Trinity Church, Lyttelton on 8 January 1862, He was 22 and she was 17. She had been in NZ 8 months. She was a minor but had no one in NZ to authorise the marriage. They had 10 children and moved to Wellington. She died in 1897 and is buried in the Bolton St cemetery.

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Kent Completed Lookup Requests / Re: chaney family 1841
« on: Monday 14 October 24 19:53 BST (UK)  »
Good morning, my line comes from Randolph Theodore Chaney, who was the brother of John Albert Chaney. JAC went to Wellington and ran the Cricketers' Arms Hotel for a while. I have quite a bit of info on him. He and his wife were buried in the Bolton St cemetery. I have little bit of info on his children but nothing on futher descendants. That is new info re Ruby. I would be happy to see what I have and pass it on. I am not sure how best to do that on this site so we can work that out. Great to hear from you.

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Kent Completed Lookup Requests / Re: chaney family 1841
« on: Sunday 19 April 20 00:53 BST (UK)  »
Hi there,

Wiliam George Chaney was my 3x great grandfather. He went farming at Chaney's Corner after the money ran out to build the cathedral. WCG had come out from Kent to build it. The farm was then taken over by his son Joseph who died in 1929. The old house is still there. Another son, Randolph, named after the ship on which they came out, was my great- grandfather. He worked in the freezing works in Islington near Christchurch. Stuart Vogel

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Kent Completed Lookup Requests / Re: chaney family 1841
« on: Monday 28 March 11 20:03 BST (UK)  »
Hi there,

I just read my reply again, I am not sure why I said Joseph went to Australia - that is a mistake. Joseph stayed on the farm at Chaney's Corner north of Christchurch. My info suggests that his brother William Francis and Emma (nee Ford) Chaney seemed to have emigrated to Australia around 1882, when their son Joseph was married there (perhaps that's where I got mixed up). William's brother John Albert went to Wellington and owned the 'Cricketer's Arms' in Tory St for a while. Lots of Chaneys in Wellington. I am descended from a younger brother Randolph who was born on the ship the Randolph on the way to NZ in 1850. Cheers, S

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Kent Completed Lookup Requests / Re: chaney family 1841
« on: Monday 07 February 11 07:29 GMT (UK)  »
Good evening from New Zealand,

I have got the following - I would have to check my sources now but to give you an idea: William married a Mary (ar. 1675-1745) but I am not sure about further back that that. It was Joseph who went to Sydney. John Albert went to Wellington. Cheers,
XStuart


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Kent Completed Lookup Requests / Re: chaney family 1841
« on: Sunday 13 September 09 06:24 BST (UK)  »
Hi there,

thanks for the info which confirms the information that I have. I am a descendent of WGC thru his son Randolph and then granddaughter Harriet. I am getting a fair bit of info and it would be good to compare notes. WGC was a stonemason who built a lot of the seawalls around Lyttelton and the Lyteelton gaol. Interesting guy.

S   

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Fermanagh / Re: cartwright and Howell families in Fermanagh
« on: Thursday 11 September 08 10:40 BST (UK)  »
Hi Stephen,

That is another connection - I have just submitted my PhD ....more on that another time. Firm evidence linking Mary Anne as daughter to this Richard Howell is lacking of course. What we have are some threads together. I need to check for myself, but I am told reliably that Mary Anne's death certificate here in NZ identifies her father as Richard Howell and that he was a farmer. She was born in Co. Louth in 1811 and married around 1829. As I say, I need to see that with my own eyes.

More later,

Stuart

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Fermanagh / Re: cartwright and Howell families in Fermanagh
« on: Thursday 11 September 08 10:06 BST (UK)  »
Hi Saorog,

it is all action tonight! This is great. Let me collate my material on Mary Anne and William Cartwright of Fermanagh. She may have converted to CoI as he was definately protestant. I will get that to you over the weekend and look at the website and try and come to some possible conclusions.

Let me do little more than cut and paste in my notes on Howells that I have made over the years. They may be incomprehensible to anyone else but me, but let's work thru them. Sorry to inflict you with this in raw form!!

Stuart

Howell
 
Background:

The earliest confirmed connections were Richard Howell who was in Clonmore in 1824 and 1842. The LDS files show a large number of Howells in Co. Louth in the 18th century centred, on Drogeha. There are 4 Howell families in the GV 1848 and 1 in Fermanagh.
George Rathdrumin Coughlea
George, Rathdrumin, Rathdrumin
William, Rathdrumin, Rathdrumin

A possible connections in the GV; William Howell was in Fermanagh, Gallon Parish; location Milltate.  He had had house valued at 1.00 and the immediate leasee was James Clark. In Milltate, there as a corn and flour mill, kiln run by James Clark. These could be unrelated.

1831 Tithe Defaulters; Anty Howell, farmer Dunaresh, Dunefort Shillagher Kilkenny

1536-1641 John Howell item 289 High Court of Admiralty examinations, Material relating to Ireland)
Richard Howell was in the Barony of Ferrard in Sept 1756 and was listed in the Commission of Array, held in Dunleer. George and John Howell were in the Barony of Atherdee and Louth. These were Protestants able to bear arms.

William 07 Nov 1773 , Tipperary, Fr. John Howell (born 1745 c in Fethard, mother Rebecca born c 1749, married around 1770 in Fethard, 4 children Alice (1772), William, Henry (4/6 1775), Mary 11/3 1778)

William Howell of Clonmore was a flax grower in 1796, as was William Howell of Rathdrumin in 1796.
This might suggest two branches of the Howell family. (Irish Flax Growers List) They also appear on the Spinning Wheel list

George and William Howell both resided in Rath, (Rathdrumin), Co. Louth, where they had their leaseholds under the Rt Hon John Foster as Landlord, registered at Collon on 20/01/1817. This appears to have been in the Barony of Cloughlea. Patrick Howell was a voter in Rathdrummond, Barony of Ferrard, Landlord Mr Smith Barry in 1865.

Howel George, Rath, Rathdromin, Lord Oriel, Collon 25/10/1824, Ferrard
Howel William jun., Rath, Rathdromin, Lord Oriel, Collon 25/10/1824, Ferrard
Howel William sen., Rath, Rathdromin, Lord Oriel, Collon 25/10/1824, Ferrard

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Fermanagh / Re: cartwright and Howell families in Fermanagh
« on: Thursday 11 September 08 09:21 BST (UK)  »
Hi John and Saorag,

thanks John, I have the the Cartwrights in South Canty. Yes, I think the big challenge now is the Irish connection. I live in Auckland. The most likely candidate I have, taken from the Griffith's Valuation is

"Richard Howell was a farmer and resided in Clonmore, on a holding with Rev Sir J Robinson, Bart., as landlord registered in Dunleer on the 17/02/1817, situated in the Barony of Ferrard. He is recorded there in 1822 and in 1842 he was recorded as a freeholder in Clonmore. In the GV he had house offices and land on and area of 11.0.4 acres. His land had a rateable annual valuation of 8.00 pounds and buildings 2.00. He is recorded as a voter and freeholder in Clonmore, Ferrard in 1842. He married Margaret (surname unknown)"

I can't prove that however. I will need to look thru my notes again. Any ideas on this?

Stuart



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