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Australia / Re: What happened to Frederick Murray born 1903 Moama NSW, Australia
« on: Yesterday at 22:34 »
Hi Sue,  Thankyou for the photo. I have not got this far  yet. 
I am endeavouring to sort all the notes into orderly groupings. This last little bit has snowballed with info so all on A4 pages and loose.   
My S-i-l gets back from Adelaide today, after visiting an Aunt who is 104 yrs old and broken her hip,/leg. It's so bad that they cann repair it around the previous replacement. 

 He will be very surprised by what i'found for him. 
Cheers  Essnell

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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: Am I on the right thinking here.
« on: Friday 07 November 25 03:57 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Everyone.  I have looked into those two sites and name links and there was some very interesting information there.
 It was Francis Frederick Murray again and the person he married  Diana [Dinah] Margaret Arden, with a marriage date of 1926.  This was in Portland Victoria Australia. 
One was not as useful as the other and that also had their daughter named with DOB etc plus her husband. 

That rang some more bells as his last name is in S-i-l's DNA.  I now have to retrace my path and find just where this name occurs in those lists. That might give me confirmation via the DNA as well as this other in a paper-trail. 

This is sooo good.  Essnell

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Australia / Re: What happened to Frederick Murray born 1903 Moama NSW, Australia
« on: Friday 07 November 25 02:43 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Maddys52, Thankyou.  Yes I didn't see that option or at least how to access it. 
I shall try again later....my internet on computes is acting up this morning and also last night. The Telstra one has gone AWOL and Starlink is slow.  Frustrating. 
Any how I will need this cert .  I am about to try tracking his wife and daughter. I have seen the daughters husband 's name elsewhere. 
I am so close to an answer.   :) ;D
Essnell

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Australia / Re: What happened to Frederick Murray born 1903 Moama NSW, Australia
« on: Thursday 06 November 25 12:35 GMT (UK)  »
For Neale,   Thankyou for the helpful info on getting a cert.  I tried it out and actually reached the cart.  Full stop, the cost was $41. I reneged on that.  will see if s-i-l wants to get it later himself.
Since then I have progress well as on the thread.  Almost at the end of the trail and mystery person found. 
Essnell.

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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: Am I on the right thinking here.
« on: Thursday 06 November 25 07:01 GMT (UK)  »
hi again    For the record Frederick Murray happens to be the brother of Sidney John Murray and they have the same parents who should  also link to three of the 7x7 . I know at least one does.

I have two more anccestry links to chceck out   if ... well we shall see. 

Essnell

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Australia / Re: What happened to Frederick Murray born 1903 Moama NSW, Australia
« on: Thursday 06 November 25 06:52 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Sue an anyone else confused.  me probably as well:     to explain  This is not Me specifically. I am doing the research and have been appointed as Collaborator to my Son-in-laws DNA. No-one wants to do the work and as I am retired I have the time and the accounts etc to use to do the research.  [all available from my own searching for my GrGt Grandmother] 

so S-i-l's Father is known but who his parents were we did not know.     So that makes for unknown grandparents and great grandparents.   Those are what I am looking for.   

so there is S-i-l  then his father   with unknown parents , then following on from there, unknown gt grandparents.  particularly on the paternal side.  Initially I had no idea who the grandmother was either.  That I was able to solve from DNA and various searches.
So from what I have been able to sort out on  he paternal side through DNA and making many family trees etc I have reached a person of interest   Frederick Murray. He may be the missing Grandfather. His parents would be the great grandparents. Those that maddys52 posted and asked about.

hopes this helps
Sorry if I have confused everyone.
 

extra:  my post this morning   3:59am  UK time i think ...  anyway .....   from information re a marriage on two
Ancestry trees I found the entries for whom I think is him  in the Vic BMD,  The marriage has been recorded twice  - once in the name of Frank Frederick Murray and again in the name of Francis Frederick Murray . same spouse for each.  REf No 3807/1926
Before I go any further I need to check these two Ancestry person's trees.

Essnell

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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: Am I on the right thinking here.
« on: Thursday 06 November 25 04:44 GMT (UK)  »
Hi  busy morning hunting yet again..... everyone. 
One of the first things was a personal message.    Late last night I put up a question on the Australia  section here.  All I asked was : "What happened to  this suspect person -  Frederick Murray."
He is one of the 6 individuals I mentioned in the last post.  I was hoping that someone might just be looking like me.  So the personal message was in answer to that form another Roots-chatter.   that has led to a contact on another forum site which i very seldom use. the Roots-chatter is helping me with that.

 I also got a couple of responses on the thread which had me off searching.  Putting this information into a search on here i now have two new trees to look into and people to contact

From there I was able to find his marriage in 1926 but he had added another first name . I also found his death in 1939 and I have two Ancestry trees to check through for links back to his parents before I am convinced.  I also would like to join up the 7x7 cluster better than it is.   That is a task that will take a bit of time as they are all so different. 

After seaching for a few hours earlier today I was looking blankly at this person's name and it struck me  as
 Oh!  AhAh!!  that's on this Marriage Cert we have!!     Yes,  but different last name but it's a new clue. 
It is so tempting to say  - yeah I know -  but I have to be certain and the evidence has to be convincing. 

I need a cuppa - probably something stronger would be good but a cuppa will do fine.
Essnell   :) ;D


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Australia / Re: What happened to Frederick Murray born 1903 Moama NSW, Australia
« on: Thursday 06 November 25 03:59 GMT (UK)  »
Hi . No luck finding Frederick on either database [NSW and Vic]. 

There are on Ancestry two people with information on Frederick . 
the marriage they have checks out to be as they say  . the search does not show parents ; there are two references on Vic BMD. 

1. has   his name as Frank Frederick
2. has  his name as Francis Frederick the date is 1926 at St Mary's Church, Lake Condah Aboriginal Mission, Portland, Vic. Aust.  He is married to Dinah Margaret Arden.

ESSNELL

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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: Am I on the right thinking here.
« on: Wednesday 05 November 25 22:08 GMT (UK)  »
Hi David and Biggles50

Yes i think I am  and thanks for the cut and paste idea.  Color printing might be better on a different printer.   

Biggles I do have a tree for this person to the present but only through his parents and to then to this 7x7 cluster. 

that said they should all also if related go back to this family at some point.   

As you say ...more tree building.  There are four sisters to also try to trace.. that's going to be difficult if possible.
First I need the certificate for his birth. 
thanks both of you.
Essnell

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