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Hi kiltaglassan,
 Thank you for the latest document re Wilfred.  Yes that would be Wilfred  from this family.  Wilfred had a son Fred... k  and I have corresponded with him for a number of years.   He has not replied to my messages for some time so it's possible he has passed on, same as his wife.  His children are in the USA. 
 So now we are at living people era. 

Thank you
Essnell.

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Kiltaglassan and aghadowey, 

Thank you both for replies.
  First where I found this printed as set out above  minus the "////"  .....  it was through MyHeritage and a tree that is belonging to a relative of Thomas. Initially I was able to access the Family Search data Base that allows one to see their records for the chosen person.  It also allows one to add information or suggest alternative information with supporting source information.  So what I posted is what was on there. not MyHeritage

I  have not got back to that point since, but the information was added by someone with an account on there.  It's free. There is no way that the dates can be verified , unless you do bit of date matching, know Thomas's age at those dates etc.

For me they do relate but why were they posted as Census and not Residence.   I know that putting that up under Census is  silly to say the least.

The reason why they relate is because of a private family story which at this point in time is still a family hand-me-down story un-validated. 
Unfortunately those vanished Census Records would have helped  with that if they showed where Thomas was at a particular time and with whom.  :(   
Eventually Thomas moved to England and joined the Inland Revenue and worked with them all his life.

I have not tried to contact the person as there is so little information on there other than this list of dates and places he was. Not even his death information. 

Yes this is now touching on living people because it's their past.
 aghadowey. thanks for the pm offer.. will do .
Essnell

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Limerick / Re: looking for information on Sophey [Sophie] gilbert bron 1899.
« on: Thursday 01 May 25 02:01 BST (UK)  »

Hi Kiltaglassan,   The info is off My Heritage and a family tree actually a couple of those.    The link below is to one of those.

But I was able to view their Family Search link yesterday but can't get to it now. That has similar info posted by one of the younger generations.  However there is little else posted such as birth date marriage and death all of which I have documents for.  I didn't add anything at the time.   

There is a private story to all of this which is annoying as none of it can be proven.  something like an NPE.  that is why I was after those Census . 


https://www.myheritage.com/research/record-1-411057201-1-501131/thomas-hart-gilbert-in-myheritage-family-trees

maybe it would help if i Pm you what I know of the story.
 Thanks again    Essnell

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Limerick / Re: looking for information on Sophey [Sophie] gilbert bron 1899.
« on: Wednesday 30 April 25 11:40 BST (UK)  »
Okay,  No I hadn't . I had to go out for a few hours and forgot to when I got back...   my apologies.   


However that still does not explain what those odd dates represent.  Any ideas anyone??

Thank you Essnell :)

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Limerick / Re: looking for information on Sophey [Sophie] gilbert bron 1899.
« on: Wednesday 30 April 25 09:36 BST (UK)  »
Hi Kiltaglassan, 


Oh dear...  so that giggers my idea. well i suppose they had to do it. what about 1861 and 1871. Probably sufferd the same fate...???

but i do have this:  it's off a search that is on Family search. 

so this fellow
///////    Thomas Hart Gilbert  was born in 1859. 

  The search details say this
///////

Census    in Clogheen Tipperary
              with parents age 9...
                1868

Census   in Clogheen       rest of family left

               1869   
             Clogheen Tipperary.

Census  1873    Clogheen Tipperary

                Holmes Grandparents


1874    left estate

            Shanbally    [I believe this was Shanbally Castle Estate]

            Joined Inland Revenue 1878     ///////

Why would those odd dates be quoted under "Census"  and how and where would I be able to validate this information.   Could this refer to electoral Rolls  but i doubt it as it involves at first a child.

Essnell

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Limerick / Re: looking for information on Sophey [Sophie] gilbert bron 1899.
« on: Wednesday 30 April 25 00:36 BST (UK)  »
Hi Kiltaglassan
Thank you for the map image.  Map Genie is very clever. 

I have another simple question...... was a Census taken in Ireland in 1881. I know there was such in England. 

Reason I am asking is because I have another Gilbert Person who left Ireland to go to England about 1880.  I cannot find him on the English Census for 1881. I am trying to pinpoint when he left Ireland.  After that I have his marriage in England and his children etc. 

Maybe the Irish Census was taken in a different year. 

  Thanks for any information. 
Essnell

Addit  Just found two news paper mentions of this chap one 1892 and then 1894.   but that's 10yrs down the the track for him but it gives me an idea of where he was living at that time.  Still nothing in 1881.
Essnell

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The Common Room / Taking a secod name?
« on: Saturday 26 April 25 11:52 BST (UK)  »
Hi Rootschatters,

I have recently been going through extended families and DNA matches.  I am finding that a good many individuals were registered and even Baptised / Christened without a second first name but later find they have a acquired a second first name which they used more than their birth name. 

Was it possible that this may have been connected to a Confirmation Ceremony when they took a second name?    or was it common just to decide to have a second name.

It's got me wondering .  It has also made identifying people quite awkward.
comments please  and thanks for ideas. 
Essnell

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Limerick / Re: looking for information on Sophey [Sophie] gilbert bron 1899.
« on: Saturday 26 April 25 09:36 BST (UK)  »
Hi Kiltaglassan,   I  must have bad eyesight , to have not seen that.  Probably too intent on Sophie. etc.  but I have been pushed to re-look as I have a DNA match that says she married John Harris .  now that all upended things a bit because  Charles George Gilbert came up in searches so  ....  yes the father was Charles Gilbert---Mark and Harriet's last child so --- that makes Florence, Emily's cousin........ in digging through that I discovered her siblings.: 

Lucy 1905: Charles 1908; Florence 1912; Margaret 1914.     
Do not think there were any others. 
I have no idea why he used George at times as his name or part of it.

Now that map:  That image is the one I was asking about.  What era would that be from?  It's obviously well before the Google ones that are on here .   My estimate is early 1850's.at least.

Thanks for helping yet again. 
Essnell

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Limerick / Re: looking for information on Sophey [Sophie] gilbert bron 1899.
« on: Saturday 26 April 25 03:34 BST (UK)  »
Hi Everyone,

I am hoping that one of you might be able to estimate or know what period of time The Townland Map I found via the link below would be?   

The link opens to show the Ballygrohan Townland in color like on a street map but if one looks to the left there is a layer stack and clicking that the map becomes a grey-scale  image of a much older map.

                https://arcg.is/1yDSuz2

This map shows the Turret Farm House quite clearly.  There are no recent additions so it's easily seen which would have been the main house first there back in the 1850's or earlier.   

It is definitely on the Blarney Castle Estate.

Thought that this might be of interest to everyone. 

Additional:  Re Florence Harriet Gilbert. .  the current information from the wedding of Emily Gilbert  - earlier posted - has her father as Charles George Gilbert.

I have found his marriage 2oth September 1904 and his father is stated as Mark Gilbert, Game Keeper .
Charles George Gilbert was married to Florence Annie Gladsy and her father George Edward Glasby was a Land Steward. 
It all makes sense.  I still need to get the birth for Florence Harriet but I think she is their daughter - so a cousin to Emily and Sophey and Sarah.

more if and when.....
Essnell.
Addit:   Florence born 1st July, Reg 8th July Leopardstown, Dublin.  Father George Gilbet, Mother Florence Annie .
Gladsby.

Essnell

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