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I most certainly believe that this family of "Ryan Shone" is the family of my ancestor.  The identifier of "Shine" was written on the death record of the daughter of a convict to NSW.  Mary Ryan was the daughter of Patrick Ryan, a convict.  When Mary herself died and information was required as to her father, as with many convicts that information was not often given by them.  The person filling out the death record of Mary Ryan was a grandchild so time, distance, newly acquired accents etc may well account for any mis-spelling, misproununctian or even misunderstanding.  In the section which requires Mary's father's details the grandchild has written "Unknown ...Shine". Patrick (to whom this descriptor refers) had been transported for manslaughter as a result of his having hit another fellow with a spade during a scuffle over turbary rights in a littlle place just near Newport.  The family of Ryans of which he was a part, had worked that spot over time and took exception to others interloping. The fellow who died a few days later, as a result of the scuffle was named Patrick Green. I have reason to believe - from anecdotal evidence) that he may have actually been related by marriage to the Ryans!  Timothy Ryan and Dennis Ryan are names which also appear in reports of the incident. I would be very grateful to hear from anyone who has a connection the "Ryans Shones" from around that time ..... 1820's or so?  Castleconnell is referenced on a several records involving Patrick himself so I believe we are in the ball park! Patrick had 6 children at the time of transportation....  the Government arranged for them to join their father in NSW a decade later following the death of their mother, so being the children of convicts they no doubt did not speak much of their origins either.  But somehow, at some point, the name "Shine" or "Shone" has been mentioned within the family and an attentive grandchild has picked up on it!  I would be grateful for any information about this family of "Ryan - Shone".  Thank you again.

Hi Brian,

I have a Bridget Scully who was born in the 1820's and came from County Clare.  I don't know what exact area but she married into the Hogan family and they all came from around Ballyquinn Beg or generally from the Killokennedy parish.  Is there any possibility that she may have been related to your Patrick Scully by any chance?  I have paid an enormous amount of money out to researchers who have been able to find nothing as it was too early for registration of her birth or even marriage.  She married in the mid 1840's.

I am descended from the Spillane's of County Cork (originally spelt Spullane I believe until it was anglicised) born in 1804 in Cork.

My 3 x great greatmother was Johanna Spillane of Cork City, the daughter of James Spullane and Honora Neill who were married in 1799 in the Parish of St. Mary's and St. Annes.  Johanna was in service and on the information so far, a recalcitrant thief.  She was finally convicted and transported to New South Wales after being tried several different times for various thefts. 

Johanna also had siblings named Margaret, James and Mary if this helps anyone identify the family.

I have a fair amount  of information on Johanna and would be interested in making contact with anyone who might be descended from her parents or even her siblings.

Prue,

Well done!!!!!  good find.  I couldn't find Odellville (though I hadn't considered that spelling) and must admit I thought it sounded a bit dodgy.  Mr. Odle from Odleville?  I had considered it might be a false claim!

Thank you so much - what a terrific lot of people one meets on these message boards.


Heading to Ireland for a investigative holiday next year so now will have to add that obscure place to my list!

Kerri

Tricky???  It's driving me nuts.  I spent about ten hours going through lists of every place name in Irish history that might have ended in "gh" and looked like it might match the rest of it!!!!!!

I even began to investigate the "Odle"s of the world to see if there was a clue in there somewhere.

Thank you so much for looking at it for me............ I hope someone can shed some light on it.  I had considered that the first four letters were not joined to the rest of the word but then discounted it because of the small "o" following it.  I also considered the similarity between the formation of the two letters if they were both "k's even though one is capitalised...................

There were no gentry named Odle in the area I am looking at for that period (1836-1845) and I don't think "Odle" was commoner as his name was being used as a reference.  So .............. the mystery remains............... (Fitsgerald's were thick on the ground so I couldn't narrow that down to get an area either).

Your input is much appreciated.

Kerri