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The Common Room / Re: Royal Livery Stables in Hulme, Manchester
« on: Thursday 09 May 24 09:29 BST (UK)  »
Thanks Molly and Alan

Samuel Skaife Grange and his brother, Ed, attended Merchants College in Blackpool. I have what I think is their school picture.  But that seemed to have closed long before "Uncle Ted" came over.

When I first asked about the stables, I thought it might have been the original site of Grange Junction before it was built. And now I find it was another business.

Again, thanks for your time and research links. 
Elaine

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The Common Room / Re: Royal Livery Stables in Hulme, Manchester
« on: Wednesday 08 May 24 05:11 BST (UK)  »
Alan, any thoughts on where my great uncle, Edwin, might have gone to school when he was in Manchester.  I think he came over Dec 1899 and back to USA in 1902.  Have not found travel over, but SSG's brother, Edwin, came over in Nov, 1899, and the local paper said he went back to UK in Dec 1899.  So I "assume" my Uncle Ted came over with his uncle, Edwin.

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The Common Room / Re: Royal Livery Stables in Hulme, Manchester
« on: Tuesday 07 May 24 18:45 BST (UK)  »
Hi Alan, Yep, that's my great uncle, Edwin, or Uncle Ted, as we called him.  I wish I had heard more of the stories he had from his time in Manchester.

Also, it finally occurred to me, that possibly the area we now know as Royal Livery Stables started out as a bare lot or lots and then the name finally became to be a while after. Does that make sense?

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The Common Room / Re: Royal Livery Stables in Hulme, Manchester
« on: Tuesday 07 May 24 09:16 BST (UK)  »
Thanks Barbara for sharing that.
I have read some of that.
The pub has always been an area of interest in our family.  My cousins and I remember hearing our great uncle talk about it.  He spent about a year and a half in Manchester when he was about 15. He mentioned that people would drop change when in the pub and not bend over to pick it up, but he said he wasn't too proud to bend over and pick it up!

Elaine

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The Common Room / Re: Royal Livery Stables in Hulme, Manchester
« on: Monday 06 May 24 22:31 BST (UK)  »
The Tourist Historian has quite a few pictures on his facebook site and instagram.  Very interesting.

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The Common Room / Re: Royal Livery Stables in Hulme, Manchester
« on: Monday 06 May 24 22:27 BST (UK)  »
THANK YOU

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The Common Room / Re: Royal Livery Stables in Hulme, Manchester
« on: Monday 06 May 24 21:11 BST (UK)  »
These maps are awesome!  Thank you Alan and Molly.

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The Common Room / Re: Royal Livery Stables in Hulme, Manchester
« on: Monday 06 May 24 20:40 BST (UK)  »
Fantastic! That fits perfectly.  It appears most of the assets were switched to my gg'father, SS Grange in 1911.  Ed died in 1915.  So, the pub evidently sold in 1916. 

So now you and Molly figured it out for me.  Ed dies in 1915, Pub sold 1916, Annie dies 1931 or so and The Hollies = personal residence= sold at auction around 1933.  Then SSG and his son, Paul, come over in 1934, but uncertain what is left to dispose of.  Samuel Skaife Grange owned property in Yorkshire, where he was from, so maybe some of that was left to take care of.
Thank you again.  If you need anything from USA, let me know.  hinshaw77a@gmail.com

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The Common Room / Re: Royal Livery Stables in Hulme, Manchester
« on: Monday 06 May 24 18:34 BST (UK)  »
Samuel Skaife Grange/aka Skaife, died in 1885.  His estate was probated then with his wife, Jane, one of the executors.  Then, there was another probate in 1917- Probate London 26 March to Samuel Skaife Grange farmer.  Effects £75.  Skaife's son, Samuel Skaife Grange/ aka SS Grange, died in Iowa, USA in 1946. 

I have a copy of his "long winded" :) will. I just found his will.  His wife and Smith Wm Skaife were executors and trustees.  Then he had 3 codicils, and end result his sons, Ed and SSG were appointed and SW Skaife and his brother, John, were excluded.  But no explanation for 2nd probate.  I think when SSG came over in 1911, he and his brother were closing out assets left to them from Skaife.  SSG was back in Manchester in Dec 1914 and stayed about 10 days.  Then he and his youngest son, Paul, were back in 1934, which was right after brother Ed's wife, Annie, died in 1931; Ed died in 1915.  I wonder if their ages had them closing these assets or if Ed knew he was ill.
The fact that John Roberts was involved in the livery stable made me wonder if that was then the Pub, but evidently not.  John Roberts also had his fingers in the Pub.  Possibly he owned several pieces of property in that area. 

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