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London & Middlesex Completed Lookup Requests / Re: 1851 London Lookup - Jane Diana SLEAP/BROWN
« on: Friday 22 October 10 20:00 BST (UK)  »
I don't know the answer to that one yet, Gaye - it's on my list of "to dos".

However, I haven't found either a marriage or death record for her in the name of LAMPRELL so I am thinking that she too continued to use the BROWN name as did her mother.

I'll keep you posted on anything that I can turn up.

Best wishes,

Eric.

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London & Middlesex Completed Lookup Requests / Re: 1851 London Lookup - Jane Diana SLEAP/BROWN
« on: Thursday 21 October 10 12:00 BST (UK)  »
Hi Gaye,

Thanks for the link - I couldn't find James but I did manage to solve the mystery of another husband and wife whose death records I had not previously been able to find.   :)

As you manage have worked out already, I am interested in the LAMPRELL name wherever it occurs in the world along with those families who marry into it.

Thanks again for the info.

Best wishes,

Eric.

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London & Middlesex Completed Lookup Requests / Re: 1851 London Lookup - Jane Diana SLEAP/BROWN
« on: Wednesday 20 October 10 20:28 BST (UK)  »
Gaye,

My pleasure.

I would not place too much store on the census enumarator's understanding in the 1861 census which shows James and Jane Diana to be legally married. As you say, I think that a common law marriage was probably more likely though this was more usual where one (or both) of the existing partners was still living. We know that James was already a widower and, presumably, Jane Diana was also a widow by 1861 so why they had not married remains a mystery.

 As far as James LAMPRELL is concerned, I cannot find any trace of him in the 1871 or later censuses nor of his death in the GRO records. I am thinking that he may have emigrated but don't have any proof of this and he certainly hasn't surfaced in Australia or the USA during my research of those countries. Just a thought - is there a searchable national database of BMDs in NZ to see if he possibly headed that way?

Regards,

Eric.


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London & Middlesex Completed Lookup Requests / Re: 1851 London Lookup - Jane Diana THOMAS
« on: Wednesday 20 October 10 19:36 BST (UK)  »
... cont  ...

As you say, Daniel SLEAP died in 1842 and I assume that the following reference in the GRO registers is to his death:-

July-Sept Qtr 1842      Daniel  SLEAP  Poplar    Vol  2   Page  237

If you do not already have a copy of his death certificate it may be worthwhile considering getting one as it may provide useful additional information to help in your research.

I then googled for "Daniel Sleap" and came across an entry for the family on the   www.geni.com   website. (I have, of course, no means of confirming the details which appear for this entry on the site).

The details shown were as follows:-

"Daniel SLEAP  (1806-1842) was the son of Samuel SLEAP ( c1770- ?) and Mary PARKER ( c1775- ?).
He married Jane JEFFREY and had a daughter Elizabeth SLEAP (1829-1865) who married Joseph DRAKE (1832-1881)".

Finally, one other snippet of information. Daniel SLEAP (jnr) was a witness to a fatal accident in London in 1849 which resulted in a prosecution being brought at the Old Bailey Central Criminal Court. You can read a transcript of the trial at    www.oldbaileyonline.org   by searching for "Sleap".

Hope that you find the info useful.

Regards.

Eric.

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London & Middlesex Completed Lookup Requests / Re: 1851 London Lookup - Jane Diana THOMAS
« on: Wednesday 20 October 10 19:20 BST (UK)  »
... cont ....

James LAMPRELL (bap 1813 - ?) was the son of Richard LAMPRELL (bap 1775 - 1846) and Mary PURKIS (c 1776 - 1842). He married Martha COWLING at Barnardiston, Suffolk on the 2nd July 1833 and had two children - Caroline ( bap 1833 at Great Wratting) and William (bap 1835 at Romford, Essex). Caroline married to Charles WILKINSON at St Giles, Cripplegate, London in 1853 but, sadly, William died just 2 years old in Sept 1837 at East Ham.

I have not traced any record of James marrying to Jane Diana BROWN and my current thoughts are that they did not actually marry. I have also been unable to locate an entry for James' death in the GRO BMDs.

On checking the LONDON DOCKLANDS parish records (which are not complete, I should add), I came across the following baptisms relating to Daniel and Jane SLEAP:-

08 July 1829  All Saints, Poplar   Elizabeth Sarah SLEAP (born  18 June 1829) dau of Daniel and Jane. Father's Occ Bricklayer.

09 Nov 1834  All Saints, Poplar  Thomas William SLEAP (born 12 Dec 1833)  son of Daniel and Jane Diana.  Father's Occ  Bricklayer.

17 Jan 1836  All Saints, Poplar  John Jeffrey SLEAP  (b 27 Sep 1835)  son of Daniel and Jane Diana. Father's Occ  Bricklayer.

12 July 1846  St Anne, Limehouse, Poplar  Daniel Parker SLEAP (b 03 Oct 1838) son of Daniel and Jane Diana. Father's Occ  Bricklayer.


..... more to follow ...

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London & Middlesex Completed Lookup Requests / Re: 1851 London Lookup - Jane Diana THOMAS
« on: Wednesday 20 October 10 18:54 BST (UK)  »
Hi Gaye,

Thanks for the info which has clarified one or two things for me. Now back to your original query and a bit of background info which you may or may not already have.

1851 Census

95 Broad Street, St Dunstan Stepney, Tower Hamlets, London

HO107  Piece 1551  Folio 368  Page 17

There are two families both living at this address in 1851:-

Family 1.
Jane Brown  Wife  41                                                    b Gravesend, Kent
Jane Brown  Daur   2   Scholar (so it says!!!)                b Poplar, Middlesex
John Sleap   Son   14   Tin Plate Worker's App(rentice) b Poplar, Middlesex
Daniel Sleap Son  12   Scholar                                       b Poplar, Middlesex

Family 2.
James Lamprill  Head  38 Eating House Keeper  b (Great W)ratting, Suffolk
Caroline Lamprill Daur 18                                    b(Great W)ratting, Suffolk
Henry Potts  Visitor  38       Coal Whipper              b Barking, Essex


1861 Census

Is broadly as you have shown it with a couple of minor amendments.

41 Fore Street, St Anne, Limehouse, Tower Hamlets, London.

RG09   Piece  288  Folio  55  Page  7


James Lamprell   Head  Marr   47   Beer and Eating House Keeper  b Great Wratting, Suffolk
Jane Lamprell  Wife  Marr  48   b Gravesend, Kent
Jane Lamprell  Daur   Unm  12  b Poplar, Middlesex
Daniel Sleap  Stepson  Unm  22  Carpenter  b Poplar, Middlesex
Thomas Brown  Boarder  Widr  60   Labourer - - - -(?)  Smith  b Sweden (???)
Anne Clear  Servant  Marr  18  General Servant  b Poplar, Middlesex


... more to follow ....

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London & Middlesex Completed Lookup Requests / Re: 1851 London Lookup - Jane Diana THOMAS
« on: Tuesday 19 October 10 19:33 BST (UK)  »
Gaye,

Just joined Rootschat and just picked up your (long ago) plea for info re the above. Did you ever manage to get the details which you were after? If not, I can help on the 1851 census and perhaps you can help me if you know what happened to them after 1861?

Eric.

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