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Lancashire Lookup Requests / Re: Marriage look up St Katharine's Blackrod
« on: Saturday 26 November 11 08:15 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you Mo for all that information. That has been most helpful.

I have dug around a little more and found one more possibility: a Margaret Darbyshire baptised in Standish in May 1801 to parents William & Betty Darbyshire. Margaret gives her place of birth as Shevington in the 1851 census. Using your recommendation of Genuki I see Shevington did not have a church but came under Standish and so William & Betty are a possibility.

So I have Thomas & Elisabeth Darbyshire with a daughter Margaret from Chorley, which fits the wedding location, and a William & Betty with a Margaret  from Standish who fit the 1851 census birth place of Shevington.

I  will just have to try and trace both the William & Betty as well as the Thomas & Elisabeth to see if anything unravels. Unfortunately there are a fair few Derbyshires and lots of Elizabeth, Thomas and Williams so it might be a slow process. If only Margaret's father had been named at the wedding - would have made this so much easier!!

Thanks again.
Deb

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Lancashire Lookup Requests / Re: Marriage look up St Katharine's Blackrod
« on: Thursday 24 November 11 02:05 GMT (UK)  »
Allan & Mo

Thank you so very much for your input - it has been a very interesting & exciting read.

I did have the Chorley marriage sitting on the sidelines but was concerned about Margaret's age and so didn't think it was relevant. However, I didn't realise that there weren't any marriages between 1754 & 1837 at St Katherine's! I had seen references to baptisms & burials and had just assumed marriages were hidden away somewhere. That explains a lot and makes Chorley a more or less cert, especially with the maiden name Derbyshire given on the bmd website that you found.

I did a quick internet search on minimum age and apparently until 1929 it was 12 for girls and 14 for boys with parental consent!! This means Margaret aged 14 is very possible. Margaret & Richard had many children spanning 24 years, so age would have to have been on her side (poor thing!), but 14 nearly 15 does seem so very young!

Thank you also for the baptism information on Richard. I see that there are a lot of Crooks from Blackrod (the name not the occupation  ;)) and so I am hoping I might now find a bit more on the Crook side (given the father is now a road block).

Given there were no marriages at Blackrod would you know if Chorley was the closest place for Blackrod Crook residents to marry in the 1750's+ or is there another church that might also be favoured?

Thank you for your help, these has been interesting revelations. Despite the lack of a father for Richard I now have some more digging to do for Crook and now also Derbyshire. I'm pleased about that because Richard & Margaret's daughter (my 3rd gt GM) married my 3rd gt GF and he was an orphan so I haven't got much hope of going back further through his line  :(.

Deb

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Lancashire Lookup Requests / Marriage look up St Katharine's Blackrod
« on: Wednesday 23 November 11 03:07 GMT (UK)  »
Hello

I was just wondering if anyone had access to the St Katharine's records for marriages 1818-1820 and wouldn't mind doing a look up for me?

I believe my 4th great grandfather married a Margaret at St Katharines during that period. All of their older children were baptised at St Katharine's (ranging from 1820 to 1832), with the younger ones baptised at All Saints, Wigan (ranging 1835-1844).

The oldest 2 children, Mary & Thomas, were both baptised on the 2nd of April 1820. With this in mind I'm thinking their parent's marriage would have taken place a couple of years beforehand. It couldn't really be before 1818 because Margaret gives her birth year as abt 1802 on the 1851 census and at her death in Jan 1859 her age is given as 56. This means she would have turned 16 in 1818.

I would be grateful if someone could please have a look to see if a Crook/Crooks/Crooke marriage exists for the pair.

Many thanks for your help.

Deb

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Leicestershire Lookup Requests / Re: St Mary's marriage look up please
« on: Thursday 22 September 11 08:19 BST (UK)  »
Hi Bunnygirl

Oops I did mean to say 1823 not 1821. Thanks for the info though. I guess that as it was by Banns then there may be very little extra info. I am hoping that the original record may still have a witness or two given Ann's young age.

Thanks for looking.

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Leicestershire Lookup Requests / St Mary's marriage look up please
« on: Thursday 22 September 11 04:18 BST (UK)  »
I have a marriage listed for Joseph Benford and Ann Sands at St Mary de Castro Church, Leicester dated the 21 July 1821. I would be grateful if anyone could let me know if the original record shows any information on who the witnesses are. I believe Ann was only 17 years old so potentially it may have had a parent listed who gave consent or perhaps it was a marriage by licence.

Many thanks
Deb

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Leicestershire / Re: Joseph Payne died 1857 - a puzzle
« on: Wednesday 21 September 11 01:51 BST (UK)  »
Thank you for your replies Lizdb & Annie65115.

Unfortunately Joseph was the first in the plot and the next 2, who were buried 23 years later, aren't related.

I have ordered William's birth certificate to see what address turns up. I should have that in 2 weeks time, hopefully.

I hadn't picked up on the Worcester Joseph. I may do an open search with GRO to check if he's the right age and then go from there. The Peterborough one you reference lizdb is the 5 year old boy called Joseph Payne, so that one is ruled out.

Would you know whether there is any way of getting copies of grave inscriptions? Not sure if it was common to add 'husband of ....' or perhaps I'm being too hopeful. Do you know if Welford Cemetery offer a look up facility like that?

Thanks again for your help.

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Leicestershire / Joseph Payne died 1857 - a puzzle
« on: Tuesday 20 September 11 04:33 BST (UK)  »
Hello

Just wondering if anyone can offer some advice on how to locate the death details for Joseph Payne.

Joseph, a basket maker, was born in Braybrooke, Northamptonshire in 1837 and married Ann Underwood on the 14 May 1857 at All Saints Church, Leicester. Ann & Joseph had a son, William, the same year.  By the 1861 census Ann is a widow living with her parents and young son William. I have discovered a Joseph Payne, aged 21, of St Peter's Lane, All Saints who was buried at Welford Cemetery on Oct 28 1857 (plot no: uN839C). I am sure this must be him but here starts my problem: I can find no trace of his death certificate - even GRO has returned my money as they cannot find anything when they did an open search.

There is 1 other Joseph Payne who dies in Oct-Dec 1857 in Northamptonshire. At first I purchased this certificate too, just in case it was my Joseph for some reason being back in his birth county, but no - this turned out to be a 5 year old boy.

Does anyone have any thoughts on how I might get to the bottom of proving that the Joseph Payne buried at Welford is mine and how to get information on how he died? He is my 3rd great grandfather and so I would really like to find out more.

Many thanks
Deb
 

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Leicestershire Lookup Requests / Re: St Martins marriage 'Jeffery/Jeffrey to Stubbins'
« on: Tuesday 20 September 11 02:40 BST (UK)  »
Hi Bunnygirl

Thank you for your reply. Those additional Stubbins may well be useful, particularly the reference to Nottinghamshire! It gives me a new direction to search for the relatives of Amalia (also referred to as Millicent) if I can link her to Elizabeth - there is a distinct lack of Stubbins in Leicester if I try and go back further than 1800.

Many thanks
Deb

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Leicestershire Lookup Requests / St Martins marriage 'Jeffery/Jeffrey to Stubbins'
« on: Friday 16 September 11 08:10 BST (UK)  »
Hello

I have an index listing for a marriage for an Amalia Stubbins and Robert Jeffery at St Martins Church, Leicester on the 6 Nov 1800.

Just wondering if anyone might have access to the record and wouldn't mind checking the detail please. I am almost certain this marriage is one of my ancestors but I would just like to know what spelling / additional notes were entered to confirm suspicions.

Many thanks.
Deb 

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