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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Re: The mysterious William Douthwaite
« on: Thursday 22 September 22 04:05 BST (UK)  »
I'm a little late to this rodeo but, for what it's worth, If yoir William Doithwaite is the son Richard Douthwaite and Agnes Scambler, his father - Richard - is  the yoingest of 14 children of Henry Dowthwaite (1771-c1847) of Over Staveley and Kentmere.

This Westmorland Dowthwaite family qppears in quite a few Ancestry members family trees.

Incidentally, that also makes William some cousin of Willam lhe Liverpool fireman on the steamers Ludworth amd Cassia

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Westmorland Lookup Requests / Re: Kendal - Henry DOWTHWAITE b. 1809
« on: Sunday 27 May 18 22:21 BST (UK)  »
Possibly Henry's half-brother. Have sent you a PM.

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Lancashire Lookup Offers / Re: Look-up Liverpool (Mersey) Pilots 1734/1990
« on: Wednesday 12 January 11 20:42 GMT (UK)  »
BY: When you think of the horrors that tea has visited on the world, how prudent it was of the authorities to prevent pilots from trucking in it!

glenburn: Thanks - sent you a PM.

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Lancashire Lookup Offers / Re: Look-up Liverpool (Mersey) Pilots 1734/1990
« on: Monday 10 January 11 23:45 GMT (UK)  »
This latest exhange another clear reminder of the inter-connectedness o the pilotage family. Not at all surprising considering the likelihood that the the early shared ownership of boats is likely to both spring from and give rise to family ties.

It would be quite illuminating to recast the list of pilots in chronological order, and grouped by their service with relative boats, or even to create a family tree of the pilots.

My own cursory research suggests to me for exmaple that there must have been quite a pilot clan in and around Birkenhead. It already looks to me as if my own acnestors, thye Hughes, were lilely connected by marriage or neighbourhood (or both) to the Ledders. I also note that existence of a pub called the Pilot Boat on Magazine Brow - wonder if dave or Barrie know from pilot-lore if this has a long association with pilotage.

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Lancashire Lookup Offers / Re: Look-up Liverpool (Mersey) Pilots 1734/1990
« on: Wednesday 01 December 10 20:53 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks Barrie for the update on Perseverance.

My great-great-uncle, John Hughes (x) joined, presumably the 'new', Perseverance as an apprentice pilot in 1860 at the ripe age of 25, and served on it for most of his career, becoming shoremaster about the time the boat was bought by the board. Unfortunately fell in to some disrepute a little later and eventually finished his career on one of the steamers, retiring in 1906. All this time he lived at New Brighton.

Presumably ownership information will be found in the Liverpool Register of Shipping archives held by the Merseyside Maritime Museum.

At some stage it will be interesting to see the pattern of ownership and in particular if the Hughes family had shares in either of the Perseverances and whether or not the other owners were from New Brighton/Birkenhead.

Cheers

Ian

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Lancashire Lookup Offers / Re: Look-up Liverpool (Mersey) Pilots 1734/1990
« on: Wednesday 17 November 10 08:57 GMT (UK)  »
Have just received and devoured Barrie Youde's charming history.

Do any experts (dave? BY?) have any more detail about the ownership/mastership of boat 12 Perseverance?


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Westmorland Lookup Requests / Re: Kendal - Henry DOWTHWAITE b. 1809
« on: Sunday 14 November 10 21:29 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks again Gillian.

We spent five days in Ambleside back in early July which gave me chance to get some familiarity with the area - especially driving back and forth to Kendal, passing Staveley, as well as drive up both Kentmere and Longsleddale. But not enough time to visit the archives.

I think part of the trouble in tracking these folks down is that (a) the IGI coverage of the outlying parishes of Kendal is patchy and (b) the transcription of records of the outlying chapels into the Kendal registers is confusing and incomplete.

It looks like the family are likely to have patronised the Staveley chapel/church since there is a small batch of entries in IGI, transcribed from Staveley by an LDS member, which includes the marriages of the children of the older Henry Dowthwaite and his wife Ann Hutchinson, and also a batch of baptisms for the children of Henry and his second wife, Jane, which appear to be extracted from a combination of parish registers and bishops transcripts for Staveley, but only covering about 1813 to 1857.

The chapel at Kentmere is another possibility, and the IGI again has recordsw from about 1813 which include some of the grand-children of Henry and second wife Jane.

Before 1813 I gather that all the chapel entries were annualy transcribed to the main Kendal registers and therefore ought to appear under Kendal. But hnery doesn;t. Therefore seems most likely he might be buried in the pre-1813 Staveley register.

The other children of Henry Dowthwate and Ann Hutchinson Do appear in the Kendal enrties ON IGI. but the younger Hnery does not.

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Westmorland Lookup Requests / Re: Kendal - Henry DOWTHWAITE b. 1809
« on: Saturday 13 November 10 23:38 GMT (UK)  »
Many thanks Radcliff for you efforts on this, especially the nugget about Jane Taylor.

If you ruin across anything else about Henry's birth then I'd very appreciative.

Thanks again

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Westmorland Lookup Requests / Re: Kendal - Henry DOWTHWAITE b. 1809
« on: Saturday 13 November 10 23:25 GMT (UK)  »
No, he's definitely Henry Dowthwaite,b 1809. Was simply hoping that someone with access to original records could confirm any other details in the entry.

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