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Wicklow / Re: Halpins of Wicklow, etc., Continued
« on: Wednesday 30 November 11 21:42 GMT (UK)  »
THE BOURNE IDENTITY

This might be a good moment to point out that it is very useful to review from time to time what has already been posted. It is only now we have found out George was married twice and that his second wife's maiden name was Bowen or Bourne. Yet Shanachai (Ray) posted the following reply #52 Thursday 14th May 2009. 

"Also, I found this in my files, but it's accessible to everyone through the House of Commons website:
....In the 1900 edition of the same records we find George H. and Elizabeth Bourne - 1817 - M.L.....
.....Billw - we might have found the surname of George snr's wife Elizabeth
"




I guess the year 1817 caused us all to ignore Ray's posting by assuming George was only married once.

Regards,
Tavern

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Wicklow / Re: Halpins of Wicklow, etc., Continued
« on: Tuesday 08 November 11 22:19 GMT (UK)  »
Parish of St.Thomas Cont
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Burial Record 10th May 1822 Charlotte Halpin aged 3 months.

This looks like George and Elizabeth's daughter mentioned above who was baptised 13 Jan 1822.

Had a second look at item (4) above "John or Grace". I'm happy this reads:

John baptised 15th June 1823 of George and Elizabeth Halpin.

Regards,
Tavern

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Wicklow / Re: Halpins of Wicklow, etc., Continued
« on: Friday 04 November 11 23:57 GMT (UK)  »
Parish of St.Thomas Cont.
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The usual "health warning".

Proposition:  George Halpin (Senior) may have married twice.
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A badly scorched and crumpled record in the St.Thomas records, dated July 31st 1825, reads as follows:

“The entry of the baptism of Frederick Halpin dated 25th October 1818 should be the son of George and Elizabeth.
The entry of Mr.George Halpin’s three children on the 17th of July 1823 should be of George and Isabella instead of George and Elizabeth which was entered by mistake.”



Comments:

George and Isabella had at least three children: George (junior), Oswald and Isabella (Louisa?).

George married Elizabeth Bowen/Bowyn 17 Aug 1817 and had, at least, the following children:

(1) Frederick baptised 25th Oct 1818
(2) Arthur baptised 5th Jul 1820 (the name is a bit smudged but I’m happy it’s Arthur).
(3) Charlotte baptised 13th Jan 1822
(4) John or Grace baptised 15th or 22nd June 1823 (crumpled and misaligned so difficult to decide the correct name and date.)
(5) Sidney baptised 12th Sept 1824.  (Note: James Halpin of Wicklow had a “Sidney” two years later in 1826).

I’ve edited my post #202 above to reflect the dates 1823 and a note referring to 1825.

I’m sure the above is going to create a lot more questions but for now, hopefully, you have Elizabeth’s maiden name, Frederick’s Baptism and his relationship to George (Junior). Also most important for all you Wicklow/Dublin Halpins 4 more members of the family.

Hope this is of interest,
Tavern



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Wicklow / Re: Halpins of Wicklow, etc., Continued
« on: Friday 04 November 11 18:59 GMT (UK)  »
Parish of St.Thomas Cont.
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The usual "health warning" due to condition of the records

BAPTISM 25th Oct 1818 Frederick son of John and Elizabeth HALPIN


N.B.  This record, the previous few records posted and a few yet to be, have raised some doubts and questions in my mind and in the mind of others behind the scenes. Also an observation by Billw last year when we first discovered a Frederick was the son of George senior (Reply #144 in December) "Frederick is very much a late child for George senior and his wife Elizabeth (surname still unknown). "
Today I revisited the RCB and there found a record, badly burnt and crumpled which, with the grateful help of the staff, we deciphered  the content which will help to clearly explain this story in the next post.

Regards,
Tavern

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Wicklow / Re: Halpins of Wicklow, etc., Continued
« on: Thursday 03 November 11 10:56 GMT (UK)  »
Parish of St.Thomas Cont.



The usual "health warning" due to the condition of the records

17th August 1817 George HALPIN married Elizabeth BOWEN or BOWYN


Regards,
Tavern

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Wicklow / Re: Halpins of Wicklow, etc., Continued
« on: Tuesday 01 November 11 22:16 GMT (UK)  »
Parish of St.Thomas Cont.

The following carry a "health warning" due to the condition of the records and my ability to decipher them

Baptism  13th Nov 1803 Frederick Horatio of John and Jane HALPIN

Baptism 31st March 1807 William of Richard and Sarah HALPIN.

Baptism 21st September 1813 Louisa daughter of Richard and Sarah HALPIN



I wonder if the above Frederick Horatio is the same Frederick Horatio who married CAROLINE STAMER of DAWSON ST on 12 November 1830?

Also here is that name  "RICHARD"  HALPIN again.

Regards,
Tavern

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Wicklow / Re: Halpins of Wicklow, etc., Continued
« on: Tuesday 01 November 11 18:59 GMT (UK)  »
Parish of St.Thomas, Dublin
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"Register of the Parish of St.Thomas, Dublin for the years (1750-1791)"  is available as a publication, edited by Raymond Refausse, published in 1994 and can be purchased from The RCB Library (see details on their website).

I went through this sometime ago, for all Births, Marriages and Burials for those years and unfortunately the only HALPIN entry is the marriage of William Henry HALPIN, gent and Ann CROSTWAITE, 23rd January 1787, REV. Dr. PAUL. (This info we already have).

The records from around 1800 were badly damaged by the fire in the records office in the Four Courts and make difficult and (sometimes impossible) reading. The main book of records of BMD (REF: P80 1.4) was badly scorched and also water damaged obliterating many records.
I promised Billw I would look at these records to see if anything could be found as this was the parish of George Halpin Sen. This will take some time to complete but here is an update and hopefully will cheer Bill up a little and progress this thread further.

I found a strange entry for HALPIN on 17 July 1823. On this date three entries were entered together as having been "forgotten " as follows:

George of George & Elizabeth  N.B. Baptised Jan 20th 1808
Oswald of George & Elizabeth N.B.  Baptised Jan 20th 1810
Isabella of George & Elizabeth N.B. Baptised Jan 25th 1812.

Also a note beside these records: "See 31st July 1825".

More later,
Regards,
Tavern


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Wicklow / Re: Halpins of Wicklow, etc., Continued
« on: Monday 10 October 11 12:19 BST (UK)  »
More on William HALPIN

From the RCB Library in Churchtown in the Tullamore Register Index, Church of Ireland, Baptism 1807 October. Child: George HALPIN, Father William HALPIN, Paymaster K.G. Dragoons, Mother: Elizabeth ESMOND.

With regards to what “William was doing until 1807, when he got the Paymaster appointment?”
From RCB Library Baptisms for Church of Ireland Wicklow.
Baptism July 3rd 1805, John, son of CAPTAIN  William HALPIN and his wife Elizabeth.

(I think I’ve seen Limerick mentioned as the birthplace of John elsewhere on this thread?).

If this is William he was already serving as a Captain in 1805.
Hope this helps,
Tavern
       

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Wicklow / Re: Halpins of Wicklow, etc., Continued
« on: Sunday 09 October 11 20:05 BST (UK)  »
Wife of William HALPIN

William HALPIN, Paymaster in the 1st Light Dragoons, King's German Legion. William served in the Peninsular war under Field Marshal the Duke of Wellington, and was married to Elizabeth ESMOND.

I notice from a post from Bigbird68 #135 in April 2010 that Eleanor Sophie Halkett, nee Halpin includes her grandmother's name in two of her children’s names.
 Esmonde Robert Crawford Halkett, b 31st July 1883, bapt 27 August 1883, St Peter’s Belsize Park, Hampstead, family at 3 Hemstall Road, West Hampstead
 Died 1884, Hampstead. Aged 1

 Moira Katherine Esmonde Halkett, b 16 October 1890, Hampstead, bapt 16 November 1890, St Peter’s, from Broadhurst Gardens, Hampstead; no evidence for marriage or death in England. 

Regards,
Tavern

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