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Pembrokeshire Lookup Requests / Re: Benjamin Rees, St Dogmaels, born Penrhydd 1807
« on: Wednesday 27 April 11 19:07 BST (UK)  »
Thanks you very much both, most helpful.

I will try to get along to the Pembs records office to look at the marriage record, and also will try to get hold of the the Penrhydd birth record.

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Pembrokeshire Lookup Requests / Benjamin Rees, St Dogmaels, born Penrhydd 1807
« on: Wednesday 27 April 11 00:55 BST (UK)  »
Hi, can anyone please help me find the parents of my G G G Grandfather, Benjamin Rees?

According to the 1881 census he was born abt 1807 in Penrhydd, Pembrokeshire, but in the 1871 one he was listed as being born in St Dogmaels. He was a fisherman, who married Elizabeth Stephen in St Dogmaels in 1830, at Blaenwaun Baptist Church, and they had four children, Thomas, Elizabeth, David, and my G G Grandfather John Rees, a successful Master Mariner who moved his family to Swansea.

We have just spent a day looking at the MIs in St Thomas' Church, St Dogmaels, and John Rees' grave is a prominent red granite obelisk near the church gate. I'm having difficulty, however, in getting any further back in the Rees family, so would be grateful for any help.

Thanks

Alison

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Glamorganshire / Re: Renault 4 seater,Swansea 1913-1920
« on: Wednesday 09 March 11 01:51 GMT (UK)  »
Hi again,

just for interest, I attach some copies of just a few of the many adverts placed by Ivor L Roberts in the local press during the 1920s. He sold many makes of cars and motorbikes, but was also a keen patron of the Swansea and District Motorcycle Club. My Grandmother was one of their first female trials racers in the 1920s!

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Glamorganshire / Re: Renault 4 seater,Swansea 1913-1920
« on: Wednesday 09 March 11 01:08 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Phipps,

see my reply to your other post on this subject - I believe that the 'Roberts and Son' you mention was my GGrandfather's firm, Ivor L Roberts, who was a dealer in Renault motorcars in Swansea's Oxford Street in the the 1910s, 20s and 30s. he also sold many other makes of motorbicycles and cars, but Renault was his main car manufacturer.

Lizholt

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Glamorganshire / Re: Bath hotel
« on: Wednesday 09 March 11 01:01 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Phipps,

I couldn't help noticing your query about the Bath Hotel.

My parents actually live in part of this hotel, for many years now it's been split into private houses. They are three storey, part of a Georgian terrace on the seafront at Norton, in Oystermouth, Swansea. My parents' house was apparently the servants' quarters of the Bath Hotel, and is next to the main part of the hotel, which was on the corner of Mumbles Road and Norton Road. The rooms are large, with high ceilings. The views across Swansea Bay are stunning!

Hope this helps

Lizholt

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Glamorganshire / Re: Firms existing in Swansea c 1919-1920
« on: Wednesday 09 March 11 00:45 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Phipps

You ask about
'2. Messrs Roberts & Son.,- valued my GGFs motor car in 1921 for Estate purposes, a 4 seater Renault.
I believe that this may have been my G Grandfather's company, Ivor L Roberts. He had a large car and motorcycle salesroom in Oxford Street, Swansea, and was a dealer for Renault cars in the '20s and '30s.
Sadly his son, also Ivor, was killed in Singapore during the second world war. I'm not sure when the business closed, but it was certainly still going in the '50s when my parents met, although it had moved premises, to Mansel Street, by then.

Regards

lizholt

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Caernarvonshire Lookup Requests / Re: LLanbeblig Monumental Inscriptions
« on: Friday 04 February 11 23:41 GMT (UK)  »
Hi all!

In the last week I've found some more pieces of paper that my father has put together about his family. Jane Jones, 1834-1910, was his G Grandmother. It seems from a rough family tree that he's done, that Jane's parents were actually Benjamin and Jane Williams.

Dad's filled in one line of his cousins, descended from Jane's brother William Williams, born Llanbeblig 1840. He says that his mother told him all these details, and he knew these cousins well through his life (Dad's 84 now). So I'm sure he's got this right, and it confirms that Jane was born Jane Williams and was not related to the Evans family.

This Jane Jones, nee Williams, also had a sister Elizabeth, 1837-1924, who had a daughter Jane Annie. I've found this Williams family in both 1841 and 1851 censuses, living at Turkey Shore, Llanbeblig. All their ages match up with my father's and grandmother's notes, so this must be the Jane who married John Jones, my GG Grandfather.

 ;) However, the plot gets thicker, because Dad has also unearthed two bound copies of the diary of John Evans, Chandler (the younger)! These have been passed down through the family as well, and are in Welsh. My aunt had translated some pages before she sadly died a few years ago. It seems that this John Evans was not a family member, but a very close friend of John Jones.

The pages written about John Jones' death, found drowned from the May Flower in 1862, show that he was very upset.

Entry for 13 February 1862:
'A telegraph letter came to my father from John Jones, Diver, Bangor, with news that the body of John Jones, one of the unfortunate hands of the 'Mayflower' had been found. My father went to Bangor with the 1.15 train and telegraphed that the body was that of John Jones, Penllyn, the captain and he was taking him to the house of his wife Ellen Jones by 10 o clock tonight.'

Then the following day, 14th February:
'Examining the body and searching through his trousers they found his knife, hair comb, a 'ginger' and 3 shillings in his pocket. The dead is John Jones, Carpenter, Bangor Street, and he is in the house of Ellen Jones.
The body will be identified at 8 o clock tonight.
E.g.Powel Esq., coroner, examined the body of John Jones in the house of his brother, Hugh Jones, and it was taken to the house of his wife, Jane Jones, Bangor Street.'

17 February:
'Burial of John Jones, Carpenter, aged 29, Bangor Street, with a very large and respectful crowd in Llanbeblig. There were 20 flags carried by the seamen of the town. Ships in the harbour flew their colours at half mast. He was lowered into the grave by his brother Hugh Jones, his cousin Thomas Jones, Felinheli, John Williams, seaman, and John Evans, chandler, Greengate Street.'

I don't know here whether he was referring to his father John Evans chandler, or himself in the third person. It certainly sounds as though he was not related closely to John or Jane Jones, but knew them very well. It does seem as though these were two separate families who were close.

We know that this is the John Evans Chandler, because he talks a lot about making candles, and his father going to Liverpool to buy wax for the candles.

My only explanation for the odd M.I. on John Jones' son's grave is that it may actually say 'John Jones, Godson of Mr Evans, Chandler.'?


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Caernarvonshire Lookup Requests / Re: LLanbeblig Monumental Inscriptions
« on: Tuesday 25 January 11 01:00 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks Emyr

 ??? Curiouser and curiouser!

I'll try and get to the bottom of this via the parish records as soon as I can get up to see them. Perhaps they'll shed some light!

Thanks again

Alison

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Caernarvonshire Lookup Requests / Re: LLanbeblig Monumental Inscriptions
« on: Saturday 22 January 11 01:21 GMT (UK)  »
 ::)  Another complication! The Carnarvon Traders website, Llanbeblig Burial records, show

Jane Jones, of 46 Bangor Street - (Jane Jones' address in 1881, 91 and 1901, and the address of her tobacconist's shop) - buried 8 March 1910, aged 74.

It seems pretty likely that this is the same Jane Jones, nee Evans, because of the address details.

But surely the M.I. can't be THAT wrong!?  ???

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