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Armed Forces / Re: James O'Brien, recruiting sergeant, Castlecomer Kilkenny mid/late 1800s
« on: Friday 03 April 15 09:06 BST (UK)  »
Love to compare notes. I am usually in Australia, but am travelling through uk this easter, so a phonecall is not out of the question.  I have most of the Australian line. Cheers Kiz

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Armed Forces / James O'Brien, recruiting sergeant, Castlecomer Kilkenny mid/late 1800s
« on: Saturday 25 May 13 04:01 BST (UK)  »
Hi all,  newbie question so please be kind.

I am looking for  James (John) O'Brien (husband of Mary Jean McCabe), the father of 3 siblings born in Castlecomer, Co Kilkenny bet 1860 & 1875, who emigrated to Australia, bet 1886 & 1895. Siblings traveled under the names Brynn and O'Brien.  I assume them to be of the BREEN clan.

The marriage certs of elder two their father as a horse-trainer and farmer. 
The youngest death cert states he was a recruiting sergeant.
Family myth is that he died before his time (possibly hung?), and may have been the precipitating factor for the siblings emigration.

I am guessing, (from his eldest daughters' vehement anti English stance), that if this is true it is more likely he joined an Irish force but this is only a feeling.

I know almost nothing about Irish military forces of this time, although I am about to learn for I have a heap of questions.  Was Recruiting Sergeant an actual position? How long would it have taken for someone to work up to that position? are there muster rolls or other records? Would these have been recorded in english or irish records? in english or irish language?   In summary, where do I start? 

Thanks a bunch

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Tyrone / Re: QUINN in Tyrone
« on: Sunday 14 November 10 01:32 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks a bundle! I've not used that search engine before - they all have their peculiar ways don't they?  I have some practice ahead of me ;D but have just spent an enjoyable couple of hours searching for my missing links.

Anyhow, I found and will fax the order in on monday for the record you located and we shall see what else comes to mind form the evidence.

Thanks so much for your help - it is greatly appreciated.

Cheers Kirstin

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Australia / Re: Thomas Joseph Burns RYAN
« on: Saturday 13 November 10 22:15 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: tropicalj on Saturday 13 November 10 00:54 GMT (UK)
you have stated that Burns was Irish  not Scottish,  but  his marriage certificate states he was born in Lancashire,  do you have any  information that proves this incorrect?


I can only speak for my TJ, who I think is separate from Sharyn's TJ. I've run across a few TJ's & family lines - for some reason the name combination was popular around that time

I have no idea whether Sharyn's TJ is from Lancashire, England, or not - if you have the clues in the doco, then you have to go where the trail leads. There are a few families with 'TJ' s out of Lancs, I continually cross trails on....

TJB - seaman born abt 1844 worked east coast of Aust
TJB - my TJ b 1861 Liverpool/Lancashire of irish parents, literate - Came to Australia in a roundabout fashion, marriner, unionist - details from Marriage & death cert.
TJB - b about the same time in Qld Aust off irish immigrants, became Premier of Qld
TJB - b abt 1864 england - settled WA - family has similar names!- Unionist
TJBR - b abt 1876 Lancashire - Shary's TJ
TJB - born liverpool/lancashire, marriner to a big established dockworking family
TJB - born liverpool lancs, son of naval seaman lost at sea - don't know if he came to aust
TJB - born Eng/Ireland, settled in Victoria, Aust

Most of the red herrings I've followed trace back to Irish roots (they all seem to have moved on around the time of the fammine - 1840/45.  Keep in mind that about +-20yrs on they all have children that they name after themselves!

Good luck, K

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Tyrone / Re: QUINN in Tyrone
« on: Saturday 13 November 10 12:09 GMT (UK)  »
Hi from Australia!

Our missing links are somewhere in the region of Dromore, Co Tyrone.

23/12/1853 William Quinn born abt 1826 marries Sarah McFarlane (also mis-spelled McFarland) born abt 1828 in Killskil Parish Church Dungannon.

13/08/1854 William and his very pregnant Sarah emigrate to Australia on the "Monsoon"

I have great coverage here in Australia - lots of cousins! -, but am at a complete standstill trying to take it back across the water.  I've checked the IGI & other resources, but can't seem to catch a break.

Hints, tips, data or relatives all welcome and gratefully received.  Cheers Kirstin

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Australia / Re: Thomas Joseph Burns RYAN
« on: Saturday 13 November 10 00:19 GMT (UK)  »
Well actually, you are not alone.
Burns is Irish, not scottish. There are a couple of TJ's - mine is still troublesome & occasionally elusive, and they are *all* cheeky on b'date.  Here is the birth cert details for yours - hunt the BDM to get your cert https://www.bdm.qld.gov.au/IndexSearch/BirIndexQry.m

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Did Lillian have any relation to Aileen Margaret RYAN (b 1930's), say a neice or cousin or such?

Also it is just barely possible that Isabela McCabe's Grandaunt is Mary, who married James O'brien.  If you get a nibble, come talk to me - there may yet be more to tell....

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Lancashire / Re: Can you help solve my conundrum?
« on: Monday 27 September 10 13:09 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Shazzam on Wednesday 06 February 08 08:37 GMT (UK)
I'm trying to find information on my great grandfather, Thomas Joseph Burns RYAN, who according to his marriage certificate was born approx. 1876-1877 in Liverpool, Lancashire.

He married Isabella McCabe in Ingham, Queensland, Australia, on 27 Jan 1903, and their daughter, Lilian Margaret Ryan was born 16 Dec 1903 in Charters Towers, Queensland.

His marriage certificate gives his parents' names as Thomas Burns Ryan and Ellen McBride; his occupation was draper and auctioneer; he was a widower.

After the marriage Thomas seems to just vanish and his wife, Isabella, subsequently remarries in Charters Towers on 21 Feb 1912.  Information provided by an elderly family member was that soon after his marriage to Isabella, Thomas left for New Guinnea and was never heard from again.  Before he left, Thomas had requested his wife to send some packages to New Guinnea, which she did, but apparently poor Isabella never heard from him again.

(snip)Sharyn

Well actually, you are not alone.
Burns is Irish, not scottish. There are a couple of TJ's - mine is still troublesome & occasionally elusive, and they are *all* cheeky on b'date.  Here is the birth cert details for yours - hunt the BDM to get your cert https://www.bdm.qld.gov.au/IndexSearch/BirIndexQry.m

Name:     Thomas Joseph Burns
Birth Date:    1 Jan 1886
Father's Name:    Burns
Mother's Name:    Ellen Burns
Birth Place:    Queensland
Registration Year:    1886
Registration Place:    Queensland
Page Number:    1966
Registration Number:    008432

Name:     Thomas Joseph Burns Ryan
Spouse Name:    Isabella McCabe
Marriage Date:    27 Jan 1903
Marriage Place:    Queensland
Registration Place:    Queensland
Registration Year:    1903
Registration Number:    000324
Page Number:    22910

Name:     Lillian Margaret Ryan
Birth Date:    16 Dec 1903
Father's Name:    Thomas Joseph Burn Ryan
Mother's Name:    Isabella Mccabe
Birth Place:    Queensland
Registration Year:    1904
Registration Place:    Queensland
Page Number:    22876
Registration Number:    006151
Did Lillian have any relation to Aileen Margaret RYAN (b 1930's), say a neice or cousin or such?

Also it is just barely possible that Isabela McCabe's Grandaunt is Mary, who married James O'brien.  If you get a nibble, come talk to me - there may yet be more to tell....

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