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Armed Forces / Re: Royal Navy: Lieutenant after 1809 desertion?
« on: Thursday 31 August 17 14:51 BST (UK)  »
Hello again John,

I have just followed up on info in your reply to my posting by searching for Trafalgar Medal Rolls and discovering the www.forces-war-records.co.uk/ site. 

There were two James Wilsons on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar!  One was an Ordinary Seaman whose birth info is consistent with my ancestor.  The other was the Landsman whose Allotment Declaration says he deserted in 1809.

Even if I am unable to delve further into my James' career, thanks to you my mystery is solved.

many thanks,
Marna

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Armed Forces / Re: Royal Navy: Lieutenant after 1809 desertion?
« on: Thursday 31 August 17 14:28 BST (UK)  »
Thank you for your reply, John.

Your response re the Navy's attitude toward desertion makes it hard to reconcile the 1809 desertion of the James Wilson who was an Ordinary seaman on Tonnant at Trafalgar with a later career as Lieutenant.

Even though that James Wilson's birthdate and place of birth suggest he could be my ancestor, because my James' widow and daughter received naval pensions after his death, and because he was identified as 'Lieutenant R.N.' in civilian records during his lifetime, I may have to conclude that Ordinary Seaman James was NOT my man.

I appreciate your help,
Marna


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Armed Forces / Royal Navy: Lieutenant after 1809 desertion?
« on: Wednesday 30 August 17 15:27 BST (UK)  »
I originally posted this to the Armed Forces Resources Board in error.  My apologies to the moderators...

I'm hoping someone can help me make sense of Royal Navy records pertaining to my ancestor James Wilson, baptized at Brixham, Devon in 1787. 

His children's baptism records (beginning in 1819) identify him as 'Lieutenant, R.N.'.  In a notice in the Portsmouth Times and Naval Gazette of 1871, his eldest daughter is referred to as 'the daughter of a deceased lieutenant R.N. who was at Trafalgar'.

National Archives data base of men who served at Trafalgar identifies James Wilson, age 20, born Portsmouth, Ordinary Seaman, serving on HMS Tonnant.  Allotment Declarations at findmypast for 1802/3 have James Wilson, Landsman, on Tonnant, but deserting in March 1809.

I can find no passing certificate or other official documentation of him as a Lieutenant.  However in the 1861 Census his widow is a Naval Pensioner and in 1871 another daughter is on the Compassionate List.  I believe he died between 1833 and 1838.  His father had also been a Lieutenant in the Navy, according to the father's death certificate.

Could a man who deserted in 1809 have subsequently re-enlisted and become a lieutenant? 

Thanks in advance for any insights or comments,
Marna

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Armed Forces / Royal Navy: Lieutenant after 1809 desertion?
« on: Wednesday 30 August 17 14:27 BST (UK)  »
I'm hoping someone can help me make sense of Royal Navy records pertaining to my ancestor James Wilson, baptized at Brixham, Devon in 1787. 

His children's baptism records (beginning in 1819) identify him as 'Lieutenant, R.N.'.  In a notice in the Portsmouth Times and Naval Gazette of 1871, his eldest daughter is referred to as 'the daughter of a deceased lieutenant R.N. who was at Trafalgar'.

National Archives data base of men who served at Trafalgar identifies James Wilson, age 20, born Portsmouth, Ordinary Seaman, serving on HMS Tonnant.  Allotment Declarations at findmypast for 1802/3 have James Wilson, Landsman, on Tonnant, but deserting in March 1809.

I can find no passing certificate or other official documentation of him as a Lieutenant.  However in the 1861 Census his widow is a Naval Pensioner and in 1871 another daughter is on the Compassionate List.  I believe he died between 1833 and 1838.  His father had also been a Lieutenant in the Navy, according to the father's death certificate.

Could a man who deserted in 1809 have subsequently re-enlisted and become a lieutenant?  

Thanks in advance for any insights or comments,
Marna


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Sussex / Re: Plumpton Marriage
« on: Tuesday 15 April 14 12:04 BST (UK)  »
Hi Liz,
Thanks for getting back to me.  I am in Canada, so have to rely on online records, those I can access otherwise, and the 'kindness of strangers'!  Rootschatters like you are amazingly helpful and generous.  Thanks for telling me about the CD; I'll follow up on it.

Marna


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Sussex / Re: Plumpton Marriage
« on: Tuesday 15 April 14 03:27 BST (UK)  »
Liz, thank you for your reply.  I have checked the Sussex OPC site and am unable to find the marriage.   Could you please provide a link to the Marriage Index you refer to?  With thanks, Marna

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Sussex / Plumpton Marriage
« on: Monday 14 April 14 21:01 BST (UK)  »
I have a marriage noted for Henry Adams (d 1763 in Barcombe) and Elizabeth Smith (d 1751 in Barcombe) in Plumpton on 15 September 1722, but cannot now find my source or a record.  Hoping someone can provide verification, please?  With thanks

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London and Middlesex / Robert SOPER Twickenham Waterman
« on: Friday 04 April 14 12:13 BST (UK)  »
Hello,
I hope someone can help me make sense of the Binding records I've found for Robert SOPER at findmypast.  He appears in two records as being bound 04 May 1733 at Twickenham. One (Source: Binding Records 1692-1949) shows Master Thomas Soper and a free date of 18 April 1760.  The other (Source: Reassignments 1688-1908) shows Master William Wadbrook and that he was bound to 26 May 1737.  I would assume that the second record is the original given the 1737 end date, but why is it in Reassignments?  Re the other record, doesn't a free date of 1760 make for an awfully long apprenticeship?

Sorry if I am being dense here; I would appreciate any insight please!

(I originally posted this as a reply under 'Occupation Interests', but am not sure if that will generate responses.  Apologies for the double posting)
thankyou

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Hello,
I hope someone can help me make sense of the Binding records I've found for Robert SOPER at findmypast.  He appears in two records as being bound 04 May 1733 at Twickenham. One (Source: Binding Records 1692-1949) shows Master Thomas Soper and a free date of 18 April 1760.  The other (Source: Reassignments 1688-1908) shows Master William Wadbrook and that he was bound to 26 May 1737.  I would assume that the second record is the original given the 1737 end date, but why is it in Reassignments?  Re the other record, doesn't a free date of 1760 make for an awfully long apprenticeship?

Sorry if I am being dense here; I would appreciate any insight please!

thankyou 

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