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The Common Room / Re: Prison records
« on: Friday 16 May 25 20:15 BST (UK) »
It could be. Definitely a possibility.
Thank you 😃
KPM
Thank you 😃
KPM
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The Common Room / Re: Prison records
« on: Friday 16 May 25 18:02 BST (UK) »
I've actually just popped it into Co-pilot on a whim and this is what it came up with:
In Victorian prison records, the letter D on the left side of a description often indicated some form of distinguishing mark or detail about the prisoner. This could refer to physical characteristics such as scars, tattoos, or deformities, or sometimes even behavioral classifications like being considered dangerous or disorderly.
I think its probably referring to a letter D in a column rather than the actual words "D on left side".
I'd still be interested to see whether anyone else has a different answer.
KPM
In Victorian prison records, the letter D on the left side of a description often indicated some form of distinguishing mark or detail about the prisoner. This could refer to physical characteristics such as scars, tattoos, or deformities, or sometimes even behavioral classifications like being considered dangerous or disorderly.
I think its probably referring to a letter D in a column rather than the actual words "D on left side".
I'd still be interested to see whether anyone else has a different answer.
KPM
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The Common Room / Prison records
« on: Friday 16 May 25 17:50 BST (UK) »
Hi
I have found one of my relatives was regularly incarcerated in Wandworth prison in the 1850s & 60s. On each record I've found his description reads "D on shoulder" or "D on left side". I initially thought this may have been a tattoo, but I've found other prisoners with a similar description. I'm sure I'm reading this correctly but any idea what this means?
Many thanks
KPM
I have found one of my relatives was regularly incarcerated in Wandworth prison in the 1850s & 60s. On each record I've found his description reads "D on shoulder" or "D on left side". I initially thought this may have been a tattoo, but I've found other prisoners with a similar description. I'm sure I'm reading this correctly but any idea what this means?
Many thanks
KPM
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Surrey / Re: The Victory Beer House
« on: Wednesday 14 May 25 19:07 BST (UK) »
Thank you both for your help. For what I've learned from the pages of the Surrey Comet, Mary Leary kept a very disreputable beer house and looks as if she was only land lady for a short period of time.
Thank you also for Map - that was really helpful. I havent been to Kingston for 40+ years and only then on short visits to family so dont know my way around. My Mum was born there and although in her 90s still recollects parts of the area but correctly believed the Victory had long since been knocked down and area redeveloped.
Really appreciate all your help.
Regards
KPM
Thank you also for Map - that was really helpful. I havent been to Kingston for 40+ years and only then on short visits to family so dont know my way around. My Mum was born there and although in her 90s still recollects parts of the area but correctly believed the Victory had long since been knocked down and area redeveloped.
Really appreciate all your help.
Regards
KPM
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Surrey / Re: The Victory Beer House
« on: Monday 12 May 25 21:05 BST (UK) »
Dear both
Thank you for your help.
gc1 - these records are both mine. Richard was a twin born in 1827 in the City of London (Brother James) and married Julia Leary when she was 14!! I thought I'd got that wrong at the start but the marriage cert said she was a minor and the census and her death certificate both confirm she was 14 when they married. Their marriage wasnt a harmonious one and from what I can gather she was away from him more than she was with him!!
Alan - definitely Leary but so many different variations of the spelling!
Richard and Julia had two children - Richard Hamilton born 1857 and Mary Ann Hamilton born 1862. I've found them in 1871 and Julia died in 1872.
I found Richard in 1861 living as a lodger in Old Bridge Street but no sign of Julia, Richard (jnr) or Mary Leary.
Thank you both for your help.
KPM
Thank you for your help.
gc1 - these records are both mine. Richard was a twin born in 1827 in the City of London (Brother James) and married Julia Leary when she was 14!! I thought I'd got that wrong at the start but the marriage cert said she was a minor and the census and her death certificate both confirm she was 14 when they married. Their marriage wasnt a harmonious one and from what I can gather she was away from him more than she was with him!!
Alan - definitely Leary but so many different variations of the spelling!
Richard and Julia had two children - Richard Hamilton born 1857 and Mary Ann Hamilton born 1862. I've found them in 1871 and Julia died in 1872.
I found Richard in 1861 living as a lodger in Old Bridge Street but no sign of Julia, Richard (jnr) or Mary Leary.
Thank you both for your help.
KPM
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Surrey / Re: The Victory Beer House
« on: Monday 12 May 25 19:37 BST (UK) »
Hi
Yes Mary Leary was my ancestor. The last reference I can find linking her to the Victory was December 1860 - lots of different variations of the spelling of the surname. By 1862 she was keeping a lodging house in Waterman's passage.
I've really struggled to find Richard Hamilton (sometimes Hambleton or Hammerton) born 1827 his wife Julia and their son Richard (1857) who I think were probably with Mary Leary (Julia's mother) in 1861. I've spent hours looking for them!!!
Regards
KPM
Yes Mary Leary was my ancestor. The last reference I can find linking her to the Victory was December 1860 - lots of different variations of the spelling of the surname. By 1862 she was keeping a lodging house in Waterman's passage.
I've really struggled to find Richard Hamilton (sometimes Hambleton or Hammerton) born 1827 his wife Julia and their son Richard (1857) who I think were probably with Mary Leary (Julia's mother) in 1861. I've spent hours looking for them!!!
Regards
KPM
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Surrey / The Victory Beer House
« on: Monday 12 May 25 18:57 BST (UK) »
Hi
I have found several newspaper reports regarding my relative who was for a short time the landlady of the Victory Beer house in Eden Street in Kingston (between 1858 - 1862 roughly). In the end if would appear she had her licence removed due to the amount of trouble there!!!
I have not been able to find anything about the Victory despite lots of online searches.
I am also struggling to find any reference to it in the 1861 census but then a lot of my Hamilton/Leary relatives are missing in 1861 and I wonder whether part of the census is missing?
Any information about the Victory beer house would be greatly appreciated.
Many thanks in advance.
KPM
I have found several newspaper reports regarding my relative who was for a short time the landlady of the Victory Beer house in Eden Street in Kingston (between 1858 - 1862 roughly). In the end if would appear she had her licence removed due to the amount of trouble there!!!
I have not been able to find anything about the Victory despite lots of online searches.
I am also struggling to find any reference to it in the 1861 census but then a lot of my Hamilton/Leary relatives are missing in 1861 and I wonder whether part of the census is missing?
Any information about the Victory beer house would be greatly appreciated.
Many thanks in advance.
KPM
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Sussex Lookup Requests / Re: Looking for a Grave
« on: Saturday 09 March 24 15:40 GMT (UK) »
Thank you so much. I'll give that a try.
Regards
KPM
Regards
KPM
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Sussex Lookup Requests / Re: Looking for a Grave
« on: Saturday 09 March 24 14:42 GMT (UK) »
Thank you for your reply.
I've checked both on Find a Grave and no luck, but I suspect not all graves are transcribed or possibly he was in an unmarked.
Unfortunately, I'm not local but hopefully one day I can take a trip to East Sussex and have a look for myself.
Thank you again for your help.
KPM
I've checked both on Find a Grave and no luck, but I suspect not all graves are transcribed or possibly he was in an unmarked.
Unfortunately, I'm not local but hopefully one day I can take a trip to East Sussex and have a look for myself.
Thank you again for your help.
KPM