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Lincolnshire Lookup Requests / Re: Edward Winter of Leybourne
« on: Tuesday 05 October 10 01:59 BST (UK)  »
Yes - Sarah is on my list of investigations - however I assume she is the women he was living with prior to his 3 month courtship and subsequent marriage to Harriet

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Lincolnshire Lookup Requests / Re: Edward Winter of Leybourne
« on: Monday 04 October 10 13:51 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for that Geoff-E, already using that info as a started I have requested copies of Matthew's birth and death certificates from the GRO just to confirm I have the right details / person / relation - takes 3 to 4 weeks to get here to Aus. so just have to wait and see.

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Lincolnshire Lookup Requests / Re: Edward Winter of Leybourne
« on: Monday 04 October 10 13:36 BST (UK)  »
For any future researchers: further investigation proves that Harvey Scott was jailed to three months hard labour for bigamy.

Newspaper articles of the time - 1861 / 1862 - mention the court case and in doing so confirm

1 ) Harvey Scott married Maria Atkin(son) in Louth in early 1836
2 ) They had at least three sons John, Matthew and George [need to confirm Matthew's details and that he did soon die after birth]
3 ) 1851 Census - Kingston-upon-Hull shows Harvey, Maria, John and George (males all from Louth and Maria from Alford)
4 ) 1861 Census - Sculcoates - Maria now showing with surname of Winter - Edward Winter [head of family] - Maria born in Alford, also son George Winter (born Louth) and niece Sarah Day from Louth
5 ) Oct 1861 Harvey Scott married Harriet Ann Eden
6 ) Court case starts from Jan 1862
7 ) Court case details (as per Hull newspaper) states that Harvey said he had been a widow for 21 years but then later details that Maria had been living  another man (Winter) for 23 years
8 ) The 06th March 1862 "Assizes and General Gaol Delivery held at the Castle of York" shows Harvey Scott charge with bigamy and sentenced to 3 months hard labour.

At this stage there does not seem to be any actual marriage record for Maria Atkin(son) Scott to Edward Winter and I don't know how to go about finding out if Edward Winter did actually adopt George Scott, nor what happened to his older brother John - something else to keep me busy.

Added to this George Scott Winter seems to have followed somewhat in his parent's footsteps as he married Ann(e) Maria Hill of Yarmouth in 1862 in Hull; can't find any births for them or that she died however in 1868 George Scott Winter married Sarah Jane Taylor and begat all the Scott-Winter's.

Some interesting times ahead.

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Lincolnshire Lookup Requests / Re: Edward Winter of Leybourne
« on: Saturday 02 October 10 14:51 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for that Geoff-E - I'll have to use it for some other records that I have been stuck on.

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Lincolnshire Lookup Requests / Re: Edward Winter of Leybourne
« on: Saturday 02 October 10 13:21 BST (UK)  »
Geoff_E - your post of of 17/09/2009 has

Marriage 2 May 1836 at Louth
Harvey SCOTT to Maria ATKIN

I've searched all over the web - as it is somewhat difficult to get to any of the historical societies or local libraries from here in Australia - on how to get Louth records but can find nothing .

As George Scott Winter was my 2 x ,great grandfather can you tell me where you got the information from or where I can get a copy of the parish records from.

Thanks Lez

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Lincolnshire Lookup Requests / Re: Edward Winter of Leybourne
« on: Tuesday 21 September 10 14:21 BST (UK)  »
Hey Derek

For George and Sarah there are (and in birth order):

Anna Maria (may also be know as Hannah)
Rose
John Henry
Amelia
George
Alice
Lily

I have birth certificates for all of them.

Joan William Winter is my mother's uncle - John Henry's children are:

Emmanuel Victor
John William
Leonard
Jane Elizabeth
Edward

Mum's dad is Edward

For John William, my Mum mentioned that her Uncle Bill and Aunt Florence had between 3 and 5 kids, and have only been able confirm 4 - I would take it that Jess is the missing child. If we are on the right / same level this would make Jess and Mum 1st cousins. can you confirm? If so maybe we should connect them up - I've already been able to do this for mum on her maternal side.

Yes the Wood's and the Akeroyd's (Ackroyd or Akroyd) have at times also driven me mad - there are still many "missing" links I have to work on and not enough time. Over the last couple of years I have spent a lot of time on my mother's maternal side, and only last weekend found connections back to the 1870's with Australia and New Zealand.

I live in Clovelly (Eastern Suburbs, Bondi way) about 7km from Sydney city. 

Lez

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Lincolnshire Lookup Requests / Re: Edward Winter of Leybourne
« on: Tuesday 21 September 10 05:30 BST (UK)  »
Hi Derek - no I travel down through John Henry Scott Winter, same one (?) as Jess  - which son of John Henry Scott Winter does Jess come from?

When I noted George and Sarah had at least 7 kids I may have led you astray. I know there is definitely 7 (I have copies of the birth certificates) but there is also a reference to another which I haven't been able to confirm.

My mother was born a Winter so it will be interesting when I tell her it's not quite correct. Is there any actual way to find out if Edward Winter did actually adopt George and John Scott?

I have another family member joining the same line in 1898 where one of the Census records show one of the children as "adopted daughter" - and I have managed to get a copy her original / correct birth certificate, showing her actual birth mother, but don't know where to start for getting records on adoptions (or if you can).

The non-marriage of Edward and Maria means I know need to travel in a different direction - back to Louth I guess! Thanks for the links Geoff-E I will investigate and let you if I come to the same conclusion.

Lez

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Lincolnshire Lookup Requests / Re: Edward Winter of Leybourne
« on: Monday 20 September 10 02:40 BST (UK)  »
Hi All - looks like the dice may have just rolled in my favour.

George Scott Winter was my 2nd great-grandfather and his history has been a pain in the butt ever since I started researching my family tree about 10 years ago.

I actually have a copy of the  birth certificate for George (father Harvey Scott and mother Maria nee Atkin) - but never felt it was correct as there were too many loose ends that I couldn't confirm.

Just so you know I am in Australia so the internet is my main source of research, as well as being a member of the EYFHS. I have just spent another hour this morning trying to find a marriage certificate for Maria and Edward - no need now - as part of my continual research on George's past.

On George's marriage certificate (June 1868) to my (2x great-grandmother, Sarah Jane Taylor) he calls himself George Scott Winter and notes his father as Edward. They had at least 7 children and all were registered as Scott Winter (some with hyphen however most without).

An interesting side note is that when George married Sarah Jane Taylor the wedding certificate states he was a widower. I have a copy of his (June 1862) marriage certificate to Ann Maria Hill, again he calls himself George Scott Winter and notes his father as Edward Winter. The big problem I have with this is that I can't find any death details for Ann Maria, and haven't been able to track down any births (too many to choose from, gets a little expensive).

It is interesting that, if you are correct in that Maria and Edward never married that George took on the Winter name.

Would be happy to share any information or combine forces to research!

Regards

Lez

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