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Northumberland / Re: Folly Road, Blyth
« on: Friday 11 June 21 09:09 BST (UK)  »
Thank you for posting the newspaper report, which refers to the mahogany houses in my previous post #19. Another snippet of evidence to add to the sad tale of the life of poor gt-aunt Bridget.

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Yorkshire (East Riding & York) / Re: Parents of Henry Berry, 16G grandfather.
« on: Friday 21 August 20 11:55 BST (UK)  »
I too would be suspicious of the info you found on a tree. The Gazetteer on Yorkshire Genuki  does not recognise Woldale as a Yorkshire place name/location and a google search brought up a reference to a place in a work of fiction, believed to be based on a place in Lincolnshire, not Yorkshire. There are people named Berry in East Yorkshire (a couple married into one of my lines) but they were around in the 1800's and theories on their pedigrees can be checked in civil registration, parish registers, and other recognised primary source documents. How far back along the line have you got by using primary sources as evidence?


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Northumberland / Re: marriage records, St Mary's church, Clayton St, Newcastle
« on: Thursday 01 August 19 22:12 BST (UK)  »
Hi, LDH. No, I never managed to find burial records for either Catherine or Patrick Hogan, although I don't think that either would have given information of their parents.
Yes, I did mean that in 1861 Patrick and Catherine were living with Commons McDonough. A daughter was born to Commons & Catherine in 1862 at Castleton, Roxburgh. I also found the following: born 1866 Bathgate West Lothian    - Ann  d/o Thomas McDonough & Catherine Parker  and born 1868 West Calder, Midlothian   - John s/o Thomas McDonough & Catherine Parker. I do wonder if Thomas/Commons had a speech defect???? The family were in Newcastle in 1871 recorded as Cummins & Catherine, but by 1891 they were Thomas & Katherine, with a morphed surname!

Which of the Hogan children is your line of interest?

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Northumberland / Re: marriage records, St Mary's church, Clayton St, Newcastle
« on: Tuesday 16 April 19 16:02 BST (UK)  »
Boo, thank you so much for your time.
I agree with your summary and I strongly suspect that they just didn't bother, which is really aggravating because the names of the fathers would have helped me enormously. I've been searching for 30 years for the Michael & Julia marriage and have even had a few trips to the National Library in Dublin - all to no avail!
I suppose Newcastle was a large place, with lots of comings and goings, making it more difficult for the priest to keep tabs on everyone. 

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Northumberland / Re: marriage records, St Mary's church, Clayton St, Newcastle
« on: Saturday 13 April 19 14:30 BST (UK)  »
Thanks, Boo.

As you say, I'm guessing any search will eliminate St Mary's from any future searches. (It been 30 years since I discovered the Dunn/Mcdonough pairing :o and since then, zilch! (apart from finding out the forenames of Michael's parents. :))

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Northumberland / Re: marriage records, St Mary's church, Clayton St, Newcastle
« on: Saturday 13 April 19 12:52 BST (UK)  »
Thanks Boo.
As you will see in my post above, the first child of Catherine Dunn & Mr Hogan was bp a Hogan, but  registered as a Dunn. His death was registered in the same quarter (Dec 1855.) The next child was registered as Hogan, mmn Dunn in 1856, so theoretically (ha ha)  there should have been a marriage between the two births.
I know nothing about Julia Dunn prior to the 1860 birth of her first child; however, I think Michael McDonough was probably in the city in 1851  census, possibly with two siblings, their widowed mother and other McDonough relatives. So, my guess is that Northumberland was the most likely venue for their marriage, if  indeed they bothered.
In 1861 this couple shared a multi-occupancy residence with a third couple (McDonoughs) and their month old child. The child was registered as McDonough, mmn Parker. Later in 1861 this Mr McDonogh and Miss Parker married in Middlesbrough, before moving to Scotland.

Yes, mangled and morphing names (both forenames & surnames) and no knowledge of years of birth doesn't make it very easy, does it? ;D

Without a specific parish in Ireland, Irish research is tricky. However, over the years, NOTHING has ever come up for either pairing in any index of Irish records, or UK for that matter.
I have now reached the conclusion that the parish priests were probably more focussed on baptisms of children rather than on the marriages of the parents. ;D

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Northumberland / Re: marriage records, St Mary's church, Clayton St, Newcastle
« on: Saturday 13 April 19 12:38 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for the replies.
I am searching for a marriage for Catherine DUNN & Patrick Hogan (first known child registered as Dunn in 1855 in N/T, later children registered as Hogan, mmn Dunn 1856 - 1863. First 4 Hogan children bp St Mary, fifth bp St Andrew - by this time the family had moved to the eastern side of the city.)
Also the marriage of Julia DUNN & Michael McDonough - first known child bp St Mary in 1860, in the city in 1861 census, but later that year moved north into the Northumbrian coastal coalmining belt, where subsequent children were born and baptised.
Please don't waste any of your time tracking the two families as I have full details of the children through their adulthood. 3 of the Hogan children eventually emigrated to the USA whilst the youngest (and the McDonough offspring) all remained in Northumberland and are fairly well documented.
It's the marriages I would like to find, IF they actually took place.

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Northumberland / Re: marriage records, St Mary's church, Clayton St, Newcastle
« on: Saturday 13 April 19 11:17 BST (UK)  »
The LDS have them but you would need to go to one of their Family History Centres to view them. There seems to be nothing on line.

Emeltom

Thanks for your response. The FHCs nearest to me have very limited opening hours and therefore are inaccessible by public transport. So I usually arrange to visit one when on holiday.
I was hoping that there may have been something online for St Mary's, which I'd not discovered. :( As nothing shows up for my couples on the LDS site, apart from the baptisms of the children, I suspect they never married, but you know how we always live in hope that the record we would like eventually turns up somewhere! :)

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Northumberland / marriage records, St Mary's church, Clayton St, Newcastle
« on: Saturday 13 April 19 10:24 BST (UK)  »
Are these available anywhere online please?

I've never been able to find GRO marriages for two of my Irish couples. If they did marry, it would have been c1854 -1861. Both couples had their earliest children bp at St Mary's 1855 - 1860, so perhaps there is just a chance that the parents married there? (Or perhaps not! It seems that whilst later generations usually had their children baptised, marriage didn't always figure in their plans - until the NI act came in.)

Sorry, should have asked if images are available

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